JEFFERSON's AVATAR

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DoogieTalons said:
It's a stupid picture, why don't you Christians have a pornographic picture of two men together to convince us being gay is evil.
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Bad analogy, Doodie.

The abortion equivalent to your "a pornographic picture of two men together" would actually be "a doctor standing between a woman's legs-strapped-to-the-stirrups, having inserted the instruments into her womb and in the process of tearing apart and sucking out the dead child." That would be an inappropriate picture, just as your "two men together" would be an inappropriate picture.

The homosexual equivalent to Jefferson's avatar, however, would be a skin-on-bones homosexual lying in a coffin.

The means are vile, and the results are tragic, in either case.

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DoogieTalons said:
It's a stupid picture, why don't you Christians have a pornographic picture of two men together to convince us being gay is evil.

It's needless attention seeking using a dead baby to do it. Also because he's an op, you can't put the loon on ignore.
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I agree, and I don't like the idea of using a murdered child as a prop.
 
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Granite said:
I agree, and I don't like the idea of using a murdered child as a prop.
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Nor do I ... however, atleast in this situation the anti-abortion advocates are being consistent. It is already accepted that killing a nine year old child is murder and therefore, there is no reason to post the aftermath.

However, for those who are pro-abort, they are claiming that the intentional killing of an unborn baby is merely the removal of a parasite or single cell.

If that is the case, then all Jefferson is showing is the slicing and dicing of a parasite. Logic would dictate that pro-abortion advocates wouldn't be bothered in the least.
 
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Rusha said:
Nor do I ... however, atleast in this situation the anti-abortion advocates are being consistent. It is already accepted that killing a nine year old child is murder and therefore, there is no reason to post the aftermath.

However, for those who are pro-abort, they are claiming that the intentional killing of an unborn baby is merely the removal of a parasite or single cell.

If that is the case, then all Jefferson is showing is the slicing and dicing of a parasite. Logic would dictate that pro-abortion advocates wouldn't be bothered in the least.
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I see where you're coming from, and respect your position. My take is a bit of a Spock paraphrase: if we are to assume these children are ours to do with as we wish, we are just as culpable as those who are causing their extermination.
 
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This has nothing to do with how I feel. It's simply the simple truth, aka fact of the matter.


This is a debate forum, twit. If you're going to state your opinion you better be ready to defend it, because the people here are going to take you to task on it.


That is pathetic justification. And what is it with you and feelings? How does whether or not the child feels alive have anything to do with it? It is alive, even if it has no idea what that means.

As Chris Cornell's theme from Casino Royale goes, "When you take a life do you know what you give? Odds are you won't like what it is."


If you told me it was your opinion that the cup on my desk wasn't white I would tell you the same thing, your opinion is wrong.

"It's not murder if I don't believe it's murder." Is that seriously your stance? That's ridiculously stupid.


My opinion has nothing to do with it. A fact is not an opinion and an opinion is not a fact. And when an opinion disagrees with, or denies, a fact it is wrong. Plain and simple.

The fact is abortion is the intentional taking of the life of an unborn child. That child is, by definition, innocent of any malfeasance whatsoever, let alone atrocities deserving the penalty of death. It is murder to take the life of an innocent human being. Thus it is murder to abort an unborn child. This is not an opinion, it is a fact.

As for the zombie comment:

I must have been confused or vain
to let this evil in my brain.
Lord did I enjoy the change
that you made inside my heart?
Oh here they come
I'm not afraid
there's no temptation I can't evade.
Stand up straight
look through the haze
I begin to walk through the maze
here they come
they're all up on me
but I'm dead to sin like
some kind of zombie.
I hear you speak and I obey
some kind of zombie
I walked away from the grave
some kind of zombie
I will never be afraid
some kind of zombie
I gave my life away.
I'm obliged and obey
I'm enslaved to what you say.

-"Some Kind of Zombie"
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But we aren't talking about a cup. The color of an object is not subject to objection. It is finite and irrefutable. The same cannot be said for abortion as there is always debate on the subject. Your opinion is that it is alive, as is many others. But the opinion of your opposition is that it is not. You can see it as a clear cut case of black and white, murderers and pro-life, but thankfully I'm not that ignorant or shortsighted.

So you leave me with a zombie poem? How fitting coming from a christian.
 
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DoogieTalons said:
It's a stupid picture, why don't you Christians have a pornographic picture of two men together to convince us being gay is evil.

It's needless attention seeking using a dead baby to do it. Also because he's an op, you can't put the loon on ignore.
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your picture is all we need to know about you
 
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If Jefferson actually showed some intellectual capacity and understanding on the whole issue of abortion rather than simple religious dogmatism, then I would respect his choice of avatar.

It is dogmatic to simply claim that all abortion is wrong or murder when plainly depending on the individual circumstances, and also from a human pov, there is often much more to it.

Calling all abortion murder is plainly ridiculous, especially so if you also consider the horrors of some congenital dysfunctions that God is apparently happy to allow to occur during pregnancy, then Jefferson's avatar is really nothing particularly special.
I would however generally oppose any unnecessary abortions but sometimes imo it really is the best and humane option for all concerned.

But those who have convinced themselves that everything is the will of God, perhaps for them there is little need to have to make tough courageous human decisions, simply do nothing, leave it all to your heavenly father, no headaches.
Others however are brave enough to make tough honest human choices when abortion is a justifiable and reasonable medical option.
Religious dogma should have no place in it.
 
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alwight said:
If Jefferson actually showed some intellectual capacity and understanding on the whole issue of abortion rather than simple religious dogmatism, then I would respect his choice of avatar.
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so he has the right answer for the wrong reasons?

how does that compare with having the wrong answer for the right reasons?
 
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Since when does *intellectual capacity* come into play when discussing the killing of unborn babies OR born persons?

Regardless of religion, IF one truly feels that intentionally ending the life of an innocent person is wrong, then their religion shouldn't be an issue.
 
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alwight said:
If Jefferson actually showed some intellectual capacity and understanding on the whole issue of abortion rather than simple religious dogmatism, then I would respect his choice of avatar.
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Not to tar a guy with a huge brush or anything. :plain:

It is dogmatic to simply claim that all abortion is wrong or murder when plainly depending on the individual circumstances, and also from a human pov, there is often much more to it.
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Do you have a sentence that makes sense?

Calling all abortion murder is plainly ridiculous, especially so if you also consider the horrors of some congenital dysfunctions that God is apparently happy to allow to occur during pregnancy, then Jefferson's avatar is really nothing particularly special.
I would however generally oppose any unnecessary abortions but sometimes imo it really is the best and humane option for all concerned.
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:dizzy: You're all over the place. Make a point and stick to it.

But those who have convinced themselves that everything is the will of God, perhaps for them there is little need to have to make tough courageous human decisions, simply do nothing, leave it all to your heavenly father, no headaches.
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Can you name someone who has said this should happen?

Others however are brave enough to make tough honest human choices when abortion is a justifiable and reasonable medical option.
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Example?

Religious dogma should have no place in it.
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Right you are! :thumb:
 
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Rusha said:
Since when does *intellectual capacity* come into play when discussing the killing of unborn babies OR born persons?

Regardless of religion, IF one truly feels that intentionally ending the life of an innocent person is wrong, then their religion shouldn't be an issue.
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It's just a graphic picture not an argument for anything.
 
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Stripe said:
Yet here you are .. arguing. :think:
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I noticed you were one arguing that abortion is murder Stripe but I also noticed you didn't feel like arguing with me about it though.
Do you accept that abortion is sometimes OK?
:think:
 
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Rusha said:
Then what's the problem?
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I don't mind what his avatar is. But it doesn't really make any point at all, we don't know what the circumstances of it are. I presume from it he thinks that all abortion, whatever the situation is, is wrong. I don't btw, so perhaps that bugs me a bit.
 
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