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Krsto

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Honestly, I think its the open theism/predestination thoughts. BUT my understanding on predestination has been shaken already, soooo I don't quite know what to give up for a kick. :cow:

I'm thinking about old earth/ new earth as a possibility... any thoughts?

Historically Sacred Cows:

1) Jesus is God, with a capital G.
2) Jesus will return.
3) The unsaved suffer in hell forever.

Historically Respected Cows:

1) All Christians are baptized in the Holy Spirit.
2) God expects a tithe from Christians.
3) "Pastor" is an office in the church.

Which of these did you bring along?
 

Stripe

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I fell into this site while reading about open theology by way of the Battle Royal and I had to join! I have enjoyed reading some of your posts/sarcasm/rants/ideas over the past day or two. I'm looking forward to learning more about Christ, refining/strengthening some of my beliefs, and sharing some of the things I have learned about Him. Stoked to meet and learn from ya'll!! :jump:
Welcome! :wave:
As long as I feel this site is a useful tool to my walk, I'll be here. I've got thin skin, no sense of humor, and an inability to detect sarcasm. It seems those are the traits one needs to be successful in forums, and in life!

:rotfl:

You'll be fine. Have you ever considered becoming a subscriber? :D
 

MrDeets

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If you had a $100 note that you had to bet on it, which way would you go?

Old Earth, although I really would rather not bet. I believe God has the ability to create with the appearance of age, and I grew up with the young earth idea, but my adult (pea) brain can deal with an old earth better. However, I am no scientist, and my opinions are about as strong as what I am reading at the time.
 

MrDeets

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Historically Sacred Cows:

1) Jesus is God, with a capital G.
2) Jesus will return.
3) The unsaved suffer in hell forever.

Historically Respected Cows:

1) All Christians are baptized in the Holy Spirit.
2) God expects a tithe from Christians.
3) "Pastor" is an office in the church.

Which of these did you bring along?

All of them.
 

Stripe

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Old Earth, although I really would rather not bet. I believe God has the ability to create with the appearance of age, and I grew up with the young earth idea, but my adult (pea) brain can deal with an old earth better. However, I am no scientist, and my opinions are about as strong as what I am reading at the time.
:chuckle:

Did you know that the moon is receding from the earth?
 

MrDeets

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:chuckle:

Did you know that the moon is receding from the earth?

I am aware of that. I forget where I read it, but I read a theory that God literally "scooped" the moon out of the Earth, and into that void is where the waters receeded.
 

Stripe

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I am aware of that.
Did you know that if the process were reversed the moon would be too close to the earth only 1.2 billion years ago?

Kinda sets a maximum age for the earth-moon system. :)

I forget where I read it, but I read a theory that God literally "scooped" the moon out of the Earth, and into that void is where the waters receeded.

You should learn to ignore the whacky ideas. :D
 

alwight

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Did you know that if the process were reversed the moon would be too close to the earth only 1.2 billion years ago?
Isn’t that about 1.2 billion years too old to be young?
Could be the moon just isn’t always constantly at the same distance from the Earth due to possibly subtle but nevertheless good astrophysical reasons?
 

Stripe

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Isn’t that about 1.2 billion years too old to be young?
Atheists have a real problem with the term, "Maximum age". :)

Could be the moon just isn’t always constantly at the same distance from the Earth due to possibly subtle but nevertheless good astrophysical reasons?

:squint:

Right. The moon is receding from the earth for subtle, but good astrophysical reasons.
 

alwight

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Atheists have a real problem with the term, "Maximum age". :)
They do? :noway:

Right. The moon is receding from the earth for subtle, but good astrophysical reasons.
Well, for one thing the moon causes the tides here on Earth as we know.
During the various ice ages down the millennia there would have been much less water to pull about the Earth than there is now.
The movement of the sea is bound to have some, if subtle, effects on the mutual orbits of the two bodies I would have thought.

But on second thoughts there could be no time for ice ages if the world is only 6000 years old of course, so that can't really be right then. :think: :doh:

It must be that God wants the Moon moved a bit for Armageddon, or maybe it's just fung shui? :)
 

Stripe

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Well, for one thing the moon causes the tides here on Earth as we know. During the various ice ages down the millennia there would have been much less water to pull about the Earth than there is now. The movement of the sea is bound to have some, if subtle, effects on the mutual orbits of the two bodies I would have thought.
Your estimation of the ratio between land based ice and water during an ice age as compared to today is overstated. The water is always, by far and away, the more significant mass. Your thinking is correct, however. If there were less liquid water the moon's recession would be slower.

It is not ice ages that are used to excuse the problem for theories that require more than a billion years of history.

But on second thoughts there could be no time for ice ages if the world is only 6000 years old of course, so that can't really be right then. :thi nk: : doh:
There was time for one. And did you know it is next to impossible to sustain an ice age? The only way to do it is to raise the continents by about a mile and heat the oceans. Ice on the land requires precipitation. Extra precipitation is powered by extra heat. Extra heat is generally not good for ice. :)

It must be that God wants the Moon moved a bit for Armageddon, or maybe it's just [U RL="ht tp://en.wik ipedia.o rg/wiki/Feng_ shui" ]fung shui[/URL]? : )
You could try discussing things you don't understand without the mockery. You might learn something. :up:
 
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alwight

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Your estimation of the ratio between land based ice and water during an ice age as compared to today is overstated. The water is always, by far and away, the more significant mass. Your thinking is correct, however. If there were less liquid water the moon's recession would be slower.

It is not ice ages that are used to excuse the problem for theories that require more than a billion years of history.

There was time for one. And did you know it is next to impossible to sustain an ice age? The only way to do it is to raise the continents by about a mile and heat the oceans. Ice on the land requires precipitation. Extra precipitation is powered by extra heat. Extra heat is generally not good for ice. :)

You could try discussing things you don't understand without the mockery. You might learn something. :up:
Well its probably because you seem too smart to me in many ways to really believe in a young Earth Stripe.
Like Kurt Wise the so called "Honest Creationist", I suspect you may just believe in it anyway despite everything, even being as aware as you are of the evidence or lack of it. More aware than most YEC are perhaps.

Btw the last ice age it seems ended some 10,000 years ago according to science, do you dispute this?
There appears to be rather a lot to cram into your supposed timescale if you do.
 

MrDeets

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Seriously? And they are all sacred? Woohoooo! How fun!

No, not seriously. Jesus is God would be the only "sacred" sacred cow I would claim here. I was hoping for a dissertation on all 6, however, just some comments or a bit o' foot to face on that one will do. Kick away, Krsto.
 
You might want to consider something about ‘forums’?
Do you think that God doesn’t notice believers are just using the Internet as an excuse to ‘avoid’ Having To Physically Go Into All The World and do what Jesus commands [Mark 16:15-18]? Ergo, most believers aren’t joining forums to serve God or experience fellowship in Christ but rather they just want to boast and start arguments and insult everyone who doesn’t agree with their limited understanding of “God” or even worse and perhaps more likely; they were tempted into a forum by the devil to distract them From God?

i.e. Satan doesn’t want Christians going out In Person into the real world and spreading the gospel and edifying and healing and baptizing etc. and the Internet provides the ideal diversion to excuse believers from actually talking with real people In Person, knocking on people’s doors In Person and laying hands on people etc.? Thus, “forums” created to entice idle lazy disobedient believers to cower behind Alias usernames spewing biblical quotes from ignorance instead of declaring their Real names and going into the Real world and serving God as they Really should be doing? So the devil is quite happy to lure naïve believers into cyberspace, away from the real world and thus keeping them from Doing Those Things in service to God “in person”? And as long as people are distracted on the Internet arguing and bible-bashing each other, the devil doesn’t have to lift a finger to prevent “those believers” from obeying Mark 16:15-18 because they are already neatly trapped in the “Internet” and they may never learn how to truly Walk in Christ? In other words, their faith is so weak that they couldn’t preach anything to anyone In Person even if they wanted to and they probably never even spoke one prayer to God asking him to bless them with the ‘power’ to go out and interact with people Face-to-Face and obey what Mark 16:15-18 commands and in the end, that neglect could very well cost them their souls?

Some of these forums may also have been created by believers who do not have a ‘leadership role’ in their own physical church or maybe don’t belong to any church? So the “Internet” affords them the opportunity to ‘practice at’ being a cyber-pastor over their own flock of Anonymous cyber-lambs/wolves but they don’t have to face the inevitability of being questioned about what they’re doing and believing and saying because when the going gets tough, they simply remove the topics they don’t like and/or ban the people they cannot face. Likewise, many of the forum members are probably in the same boat and without the ‘power’ to do what Mark 16:15-18 says but a forum also enables ‘them’ to pretend they are wise church elders so confidently quoting scripture while arguing uncontrollably with anonymous strangers who might very well be wolves, for all They know or care to find out? ;)

Too scary for you to believe that might be what’s happening? Are you offended that your forum might not be serving any divine purpose whatsoever and that You might actually have to re-think some things about your faith and biblical interpretation? Shocked that You might need some spiritual correcting or you may actually be lost again? Well I hope you are shocked or at least concerned because that might mean you actually Do Care To Know if you’re believing and doing the right thing in Jesus’ name and that you do want to Listen and Learn and grow in Christ like the rest of us foolish wretches? And maybe you will now pray for God to show you what your true good works might be and bless you to properly serve his will, not Yours? Rather than anonymously prancing around in a forum trying to impress someone with your biblical knowledge because you’re afraid and powerless to face the real world in His name? Or like believers who segregate themselves in forums by denomination, as if to advertise that they might somehow be better Christians than non-denominational followers or that Adventists might somehow be better Christians than Protestants or Catholics might somehow be better Christians than Anglicans or Christadelphians might somehow be better Christians than Lutherans or Baptists might somehow be better Christians than Evangelicals etc. etc. etc.? But there it is! We now have thousands of believers that have migrated to the Internet wagging their uncontrollable tongues (James 3:8) in the vacuum of cyberspace and pretending to be warriors for God but in reality, they are merely deluding themselves? And for all You know, the devil’s minions also created the forum You are babbling in and the yolk is on you? ;) Don’t believe it? If you can’t, then you are ignorant because I’ve witnessed so-called Christian forums where the moderators are actually atheist or worse perhaps and so the joke was indeed on “those believers who participated”.

But what do I know? Anyway, kudos to those responsible for this forum if this topic actually survived their screening process thus allowing members to read it and God to do the moderating? Notwithstanding, I do question the advent of forums and the motives of those who create them since, if for no other reason, that the ‘nature’ of a forum does not promote love and patience but rather conflict, hatred and impatience. So if anyone thinks I’m here looking for forum buddies, friends or pals, let me be perfectly clear. God willing, I’m compelled to be here mainly to WARN those believers who may have been lured here by the evil one and/or inadvertently; about the ‘danger’ of forums and the Internet! Period.

And whether or not the creators of these forums had good intentions, I have witnessed far too much evil in each and every forum I participated in. Without exception, Each and Every so-called Christian forum proved to be little more than a chaotic hostile vehicle for judgmental, hateful, ignorant administrators and moderators trying to play God instead of ‘facing God’s truth’ in obedience to Christ and most members responded in kind because most people weren’t there to blamelessly, harmlessly debate Christianity and perhaps learn something and grow in Him. Quite the contrary, they were there to fight and argue their “limited understanding of God” at any cost and when the Mods/Admins couldn’t support their opinions and/or felt threatened to perhaps being exposed as false brethren, they just removed the topics and banned anyone who didn’t kneel to their rhetoric and man-made rules. Which means they aren’t ‘forums’ in the first place because people weren’t allowed to freely and honestly debate or discuss anything. ;)

So I guess we’ll soon find out if this forum operates similarly and if believers here put God’s Laws first instead of man-contrived-forum-rules? As well, I won’t be posting any further comments nor responding publically to anyone’s threads in this forum either because I’m not here to debate anything with anyone especially in an almost certain ungodly atmosphere like ‘this’ and so as to then perhaps be accused of lending credence to any otherwise legitimate Internet platforms let alone “so-called Christian forums”? I’ve already learned my lesson God willing, about the evil of the “Internet” and those human resources who would perpetrate evil there. Indeed, I’m genuinely repulsed now just ‘joining’ any of these forums in order to “warn” those whom God may wish to be warned? I may not even have any divine purpose for being on the Internet myself but in the event that just one person is properly corrected or saved by doing so, then it was absolutely worth the effort. Hallelujah!

Paul
 
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