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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    If you don't know, you haven't been paying attention, Jerry. Maybe Anna can explain it to you.
    Why don't you explain it to me?

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    Babarian chuckles:
    If you don't know, you haven't been paying attention, Jerry.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Why don't you explain it to me?
    Someone already has.

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    Most Libertarians are pro-choice, but there are definitely pro-life libertarians as well.
    It depends on whether or not one thinks of the unborn as persons or not. If so, then one regards them as having rights, including a right to life.

    You're not paying attention, Jerry. So tell us, are you really pro-life?
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    Yes, I am pro life. Besides that, there is ample evidence that by the third trimester (and even before) that what is inside the mother's womb is a person. To deny we must throw our reason to the wind.

    Do you support third trimester abortions on the grounds that giving birth would be inconvenient for the woman?

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    There are pro life Democrats and pro choice democrats, as well as pro life republicans and pro choice republicans. Libertarians also have this divide.
    The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Yes, I am pro life. Besides that, there is ample evidence that by the third trimester (and even before) that what is inside the mother's womb is a person. To deny we must throw our reason to the wind.

    Do you support third trimester abortions on the grounds that giving birth would be inconvenient for the woman?
    "Personhood" is a red herring, intended to take attention away from the FACT that, at conception, a unique living human organism is created

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    So Jerry, am I to understand, you're questioning whether the unborn are people before the third trimester? What makes you think that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    So Jerry, am I to understand, you're questioning whether the unborn are people before the third trimester? What makes you think that?
    What makes him think what......that a fetus is a person before the third trimester?
    The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    What makes him think what......that a fetus is a person before the third trimester?
    What makes him think that they arguably aren't?
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    Yay. Let's watch as Barbarian deliberately misrepresents plain statements again.
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    I would score as more libertarian the test scored me such, but is biased on several factors, such as loaded questions, which is how these test makers get the results they hope for.
    So, what?

    believe it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ktoyou View Post
    I would score as more libertarian the test scored me such, but is biased on several factors, such as loaded questions, which is how these test makers get the results they hope for.
    I had the same impression. I supposed that they might have done to get one's emotional response, but you could be right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    They might have done to get one's emotional response.
    If true, then the test makers are morons and either way exposes your ignorance of proper questionnaire preparation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    So Jerry, am I to understand, you're questioning whether the unborn are people before the third trimester? What makes you think that?
    No, read what he says.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Yes, I am pro life. Besides that, there is ample evidence that by the third trimester (and even before) that what is inside the mother's womb is a person. To deny we must throw our reason to the wind.

    Do you support third trimester abortions on the grounds that giving birth would be inconvenient for the woman?
    He says he is pro-life, then moves on to say, even you dummies who need observable facts can see the baby is a person by the third semester.

    Now, what does this have to do with being a libertarian anyway? It has nothing to do with one having a preference for liberty over equality which is what being libertarian actually means

    Remember what John Randolph said?
    So, what?

    believe it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    So Jerry, am I to understand, you're questioning whether the unborn are people before the third trimester? What makes you think that?
    Why don't you answer my question? Are you ashamed of your beliefs?

    Do you support third trimester abortions on the grounds that giving birth would be inconvenient for the woman?

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    Barbarian asks:
    So Jerry, am I to understand, you're questioning whether the unborn are people before the third trimester? What makes you think that?

    (Jerry evades the question)

    Why don't you answer my question? Are you ashamed of your beliefs?

    Do you support third trimester abortions on the grounds that giving birth would be inconvenient for the woman? Why are you suggesting that abortions are different before the third trimester? What difference does that make for you?

    You seem to be the only one here who takes that position.
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