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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    Curious, what's your basic political outlook?
    I thought I would score higher. LOL. My political outlook is constantly evolving. In my 20's I voted Democrat. In In my 30's I voted Republican. But as I neared my 40's I came to realize that both major parties are cesspools of political corruption and greed. And both parties have an unquenchable thirst for power and control. They are enemies of freedom. I generally favor smaller government and political freedom for all. I believe America has strayed far from it's constitutional roots. I favor less regulation in commerce and business. Every person should be free to run a business with minimal government interference. But there is a tight rope to be walked here. When huge corporations begin to control too much of the commerce and they begin to engage in monopolistic practices, have increasingly influence in the government, and begin to dictate how we should live then they are also enemies of freedom.

    I find it hilarious how the Republican and Democrats point fingers at each other. The Democrats have embraced insane positions like identity politics, feminism, unbridled support of homosexuality, and high taxes. The GOP is no better with their "racist" rhetoric. They really don't believe this "racist" stuff but they use it to get votes. I don't like Trump but I don't froth at the moth with hatred towards him either. I do not believe he is a "racist". Certainly, he is an elitist and class-ist but most super rich people are in my experience. The GOP also likes to start expensive foreign wars with no real purpose in winning. They love to spend tons of money but as long as they don't spend it on things like "entitlement programs" they pat themselves on the back as claim they are "fiscal conservatives".
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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    There are many irrational policies and attitudes destroying our modern American society.
    The principles behind the Constitution are much more rational as are most of the Judeo-Christian beliefs that were in practice in the 1700s.
    My "Libertarianism" comes mostly from my belief in holding people responsible for their actions and getting rid of "Nanny State" mentality.
    I am also opposed to corporations and LLCs (and labor unions) and am a strong believer in small businesses run by a sole proprietor or partnership who can choose who they will and will not do business with based on their own religious and political beliefs.
    I think I can agree with this in theory. I generally distrust large multinational corporations. But I am not so sure how this would work in practice. We live in an increasingly technological society. And creating all this modern technology requires a large number of people to make it happen. if all major corporations were abolished do you thing small sole proprietorship could organize to conceptualize, design, plan, and manufacture a huge fleet of, say, commercial airliners? Boeing Aircraft has a HUGE workforce that work together to build even one aircraft. Even then Boeing has an army of vendors that produce goods and services in support of Boeing. Also, if large corporations didn't exist who would buy there $150,000,000 aircraft? Just wanted to get your thoughts on this,
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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    You are 0% Libertarian, which makes you Not Libertarian.

    In your case it is safe to say that you are *not* a libertarian. Whether because you prefer a greater degree of social discipline or economic regulation (or possibly both), you probably tend to find large swatches of the libertarian program to be far-fetched, extremist, and possibly even downright repulsive. If you are not the argumentative type, you had best stay clear of libertarians - they have a reputation for being insufferable in an argument.
    With a score like that, I wonder how you would do on the Fascism Test

    Here are my results:

    Fascism Test

    You are 36% Fascist, which makes you a Fascist Fellow-Traveler.

    In your case, it would appear that your political outlook shares more than a few of the core doctrines of fascism. Since fascism is really a mix of communism, socialism, conservatism, and liberalism, with a few innovations of its own thrown in, it is scarcely surprising that most people's political outlook will have quite a few similarities with the doctrines of fascism. Even after adjusting for these parameters, however, it would seem that the commonalities between your political outlook and fascism are not merely incidental, but arise from certain overall themes, concerns, and solutions which your personal outlook has in common with fascism. While you are most likely *not* a fascist, the overlap between your preferred society and that of fascism is simply too significant to be pure chance. In all likelihood, you are what one might call a 'Fascist Fellow Traveler': Someone who sees value in some of the immediate societal changes that fascism would bring about, but *not* someone who is an actual fascist. Your ultimate political goal lies elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Berean View Post
    I think I can agree with this in theory. I generally distrust large multinational corporations. But I am not so sure how this would work in practice. We live in an increasingly technological society. And creating all this modern technology requires a large number of people to make it happen. if all major corporations were abolished do you thing small sole proprietorship could organize to conceptualize, design, plan, and manufacture a huge fleet of, say, commercial airliners? Boeing Aircraft has a HUGE workforce that work together to build even one aircraft. Even then Boeing has an army of vendors that produce goods and services in support of Boeing. Also, if large corporations didn't exist who would buy there $150,000,000 aircraft? Just wanted to get your thoughts on this,
    It does not appear to be possible to get back to sensible laws concerning corporations, but at one time we had sensible laws.


    FIGHTING CORPORATE POWER SINCE 1776

    In 1833, Andrew Jackson shut down the Second Bank of the United States, a private entity with authority over public finance much like today’s Federal Reserve. Throughout the nineteenth century, most states had laws that limited corporations to a specific purpose, such as building a certain bridge, canal or toll-road, and prevented them from expanding beyond it. According to Hartmann:

    • After it had completed its assigned task, a corporate charter would expire and the company would be dissolved. Corporate charters were not given, as they are today, “in perpetuity.”
    • The state could revoke a corporation’s charter if it either exceeded or did not fulfill its stated purpose or if it misbehaved.
    • To keep them out of politics, corporations were prohibited from making any political contributions, directly or indirectly through other groups.
    • To prevent them from extending their economic power inappropriately, corporations could only own real estate necessary to complete their stated business and were prohibited from owning shares in other companies.

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    I was surprised by the results:
    "You are 0% Libertarian, which makes you Not Libertarian."

    I'll take the fascism test next and edit this to post it.

    "You are 32% Fascist, which makes you Not Fascist."
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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    With a score like that, I wonder how you would do on the Fascism Test
    Lol, was a bit surprised at my result for that one...


    You are 49% Fascist, which makes you a Fascist Fellow-Traveler.

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    In your case, it would appear that your political outlook shares more than a few of the core doctrines of fascism. Since fascism is really a mix of communism, socialism, conservatism, and liberalism, with a few innovations of its own thrown in, it is scarcely surprising that most people's political outlook will have quite a few similarities with the doctrines of fascism. Even after adjusting for these parameters, however, it would seem that the commonalities between your political outlook and fascism are not merely incidental, but arise from certain overall themes, concerns, and solutions which your personal outlook has in common with fascism. While you are most likely *not* a fascist, the overlap between your preferred society and that of fascism is simply too significant to be pure chance. In all likelihood, you are what one might call a 'Fascist Fellow Traveler': Someone who sees value in some of the immediate societal changes that fascism would bring about, but *not* someone who is an actual fascist. Your ultimate political goal lies elsewhere.



    To balance that out, however, there were plenty of answers (most, in fact) where I answered neutral simply because the question assumed something that I disagree with in the first place, or because I wasn't sure what the question was asking and/or talking about.

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    Took this test...


    Your political coordinates are:
    88.9% Right, 61.1% Communitarian




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    Okay, on that one I come out: 5.6% Right, 11.1% Liberal

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    You are 0% Libertarian, which makes you Not Libertarian.

    Libertarianism sounds great but is an incredibly bad idea in practice.

    And to follow the crowd . . .

    You are 24% Fascist, which makes you Not Fascist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idolater View Post
    Libertarian Test
    You are 18% Libertarian, which makes you Not Libertarian.
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    In your case it is safe to say that you are *not* a libertarian. Whether because you prefer a greater degree of social discipline or economic regulation (or possibly both), you probably tend to find large swatches of the libertarian program to be far-fetched, extremist, and possibly even downright repulsive. If you are not the argumentative type, you had best stay clear of libertarians - they have a reputation for being insufferable in an argument.
    Fascism Test
    You are 34% Fascist, which makes you a Fascist Fellow-Traveler.
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    ...While you are most likely *not* a fascist, the overlap between your preferred society and that of fascism is simply too significant to be pure chance. In all likelihood, you are what one might call a 'Fascist Fellow Traveler': Someone who sees value in some of the immediate societal changes that fascism would bring about, but *not* someone who is an actual fascist. Your ultimate political goal lies elsewhere.

    Classical F Scale Test:
    2.4% less authoritarian than the average person.
    Your Score: Average

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    I'm a Lincoln classical liberal, so these results make sense. I definitely believe in law and order, and not anything anarchic or anarchy-adjacent, and I believe that interventions up to and including war and subsequent occupation can be warranted to defend basic human rights, when feasible.
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    Political Coordinates Test
    Your political coordinates are:
    47.2% Right, 19.4% Communitarian




    F-Scale Test
    Your results: 22.6% more authoritarian than the average person.

    Conventionalism
    Rigid adherence to conventional, middle-class values.

    Your Score: Average




    Authoritarian Submission
    Submissive, uncritical attitude towards the idealized authorities of the group.

    Your Score: Average




    Authoritarian Aggression
    Tendency to be alert to, condemn, reject, and to want to punish people who violate conventional values.

    Your Score: Average




    Anti-Intraception
    Opposition to the subjective and the imaginative, as well as a dislike of abstract art and tender-minded people.

    Your Score: Average




    Superstition-Stereotypy
    Superstitious beliefs about the determinants of the individual's fate and the disposition to think in rigid categories.

    Your Score: Average




    Power-Toughness
    Preoccupation with dominance-submission and leader-follower dynamics, as well as identification with power figures and the tendency to want to assert strength and toughness.

    Your Score: Average




    Destructiveness-Cynicism
    Generalized hostility to things not in line with one's personal values, and the devaluation of human life and tendencies.

    Your Score: Very High




    Projectivity
    Disposition to suspect that wild and dangerous things go behind closed doors, that one's group is losing control and that traditional society is headed towards destruction.

    Your Score: High




    Anti-Degeneracy
    Concern with the sexual "goings-on" of others and resistance to sexual degeneracy within one’s group.

    Your Score: Average




    Total Score
    Your total F score, meaning your receptivity to authoritarian/fascist beliefs.

    Your Score: Average


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    Political Coordinates Test
    Your political coordinates are:

    16.7% Right, 2.8% Communitarian
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    My results:

    Fascism Test

    You are 28% Fascist, which makes you Not Fascist.

    While your political outlook may share a few (or even quite a few) of fascism's fundamental doctrines, it is overall safe to say that your political orientation is *not* a fascist one. Now, you may find this result unsurprising, but in reality, most people have at least some points of agreement with fascism since fascism is really a mix of communism, socialism, conservatism, and liberalism, with a few innovations of its own thrown in. Hence, adjusting for these factors, even though your fascism percentage might seem quite high, there is really nothing surprising about these agreements, when viewed in their proper historical context, so rest assured: Your political beliefs are definitely not fascist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    With a score like that, I wonder how you would do on the Fascism Test

    Here are my results:

    Fascism Test

    You are 36% Fascist, which makes you a Fascist Fellow-Traveler.

    In your case, it would appear that your political outlook shares more than a few of the core doctrines of fascism. Since fascism is really a mix of communism, socialism, conservatism, and liberalism, with a few innovations of its own thrown in, it is scarcely surprising that most people's political outlook will have quite a few similarities with the doctrines of fascism. Even after adjusting for these parameters, however, it would seem that the commonalities between your political outlook and fascism are not merely incidental, but arise from certain overall themes, concerns, and solutions which your personal outlook has in common with fascism. While you are most likely *not* a fascist, the overlap between your preferred society and that of fascism is simply too significant to be pure chance. In all likelihood, you are what one might call a 'Fascist Fellow Traveler': Someone who sees value in some of the immediate societal changes that fascism would bring about, but *not* someone who is an actual fascist. Your ultimate political goal lies elsewhere.



    My result:

    You are 16% Fascist, which makes you Not Fascist.

    Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    Okay, on that one I come out: 5.6% Right, 11.1% Liberal



    You can't get much more moderate than that.

    Were you surprised not to be on the left side of the line though?

    Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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