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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    Let's say a lifeguard has chosen to respond to a cry for help far out in the dangerous surf. She swims out and begins to bring the swimmer back across this great distance. At some point the lifeguard realizes the surf is too strong for her to continue. She can either release the swimmer, who will drown, or she can continue and they will both drown.

    Is she a murderer for letting go?
    Of course not. A killer, sure, but so then are the leos who shoot an attempted murderer dead to defend innocent ppl. Justified.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    Let's say a lifeguard has chosen to respond to a cry for help far out in the dangerous surf. She swims out and begins to bring the swimmer back across this great distance. At some point the lifeguard realizes the surf is too strong for her to continue. She can either release the swimmer, who will drown, or she can continue and they will both drown.

    Is she a murderer for letting go?
    You are presenting a false dichotomy. There are more options than what you have mentioned.

    Why wouldn't she tell the person she's rescuing to keep swimming, or if they can't swim, use the rescue tube to keep them afloat and have them follow the lifeguard's instructions to assist them in staying afloat until they are rescued?

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    Reasons U.S. Women Have Abortions: Quantitative and Qualitative Perspectives

    RESULTS: The reasons most frequently cited were that having a child would interfere with a woman's education, work or ability to care for dependents (74%); that she could not afford a baby now (73%); and that she did not want to be a single mother or was having relationship problems (48%). Nearly four in 10 women said they had completed their childbearing, and almost one‐third were not ready to have a child. Fewer than 1% said their parents' or partners' desire for them to have an abortion was the most important reason. Younger women often reported that they were unprepared for the transition to motherhood, while older women regularly cited their responsibility to dependents.


    Isn't it amazing that the excuses do not include rape, incest, and claims that the woman would die if the child were brought to term.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    You are presenting a false dichotomy.
    No, it isn't. It's a hypothetical. And in it is a clear choice. This can be mirrored in pregnancy, though it would be a rare event.

    There are more options than what you have mentioned.
    What would those be?

    Why wouldn't she tell the person she's rescuing to keep swimming
    The person can't swim. That's why she's there.


    , or if they can't swim, use the rescue tube to keep them afloat
    You're missing the point by inventing new ideas. Deal with the point. There will be a scenario in which there is no floatation device, just as there will be an example where there is only the mother who can be saved.

    And as long as that is true your complaint is mistaken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    just as there will be an example where there is only the mother who can be saved.
    A mother gets a paper cut.
    The doctor yells out, "Quick, me must abort the baby!!!!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    A mother gets a paper cut.
    The doctor yells out, "Quick, me must abort the baby!!!!"
    So now we're at 0-2 in addressing the point. Okay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    So now we're at 0-2 in addressing the point. Okay.
    You do know that this thread is about whether you are a Libertarian, not about abortion, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post

    Reasons U.S. Women Have Abortions: Quantitative and Qualitative Perspectives

    RESULTS: The reasons most frequently cited were that having a child would interfere with a woman's education, work or ability to care for dependents (74%); that she could not afford a baby now (73%); and that she did not want to be a single mother or was having relationship problems (48%). Nearly four in 10 women said they had completed their childbearing, and almost one‐third were not ready to have a child. Fewer than 1% said their parents' or partners' desire for them to have an abortion was the most important reason. Younger women often reported that they were unprepared for the transition to motherhood, while older women regularly cited their responsibility to dependents.


    Isn't it amazing that the excuses do not include rape, incest, and claims that the woman would die if the child were brought to term.
    Hmmmm

    How about that?

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    Do libertarians approve of abortions being performed because it is inconvenient for the mother to have a baby?

    Will someone who considers himself or herself to be a libertarian give us their views on this subject?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Do libertarians approve of abortions
    Most Libertarians are pro-choice, but there are definitely pro-life libertarians as well.


    Libertarian perspectives on abortion

    Libertarians promote individual liberty and seek to minimize the role of the state. The abortion debate is mainly within right-libertarianism between cultural liberals and cultural conservatives as left-libertarians generally see it as a non-issue as they support legal access to abortion as part of their general support for individual rights, especially in regard to what they consider to be a woman's right to control her body. Libertarian conservatives claim libertarian principles such as the non-aggression principle apply to human beings from conception and that the universal right to life applies to fetuses in the womb. Thus, some of those individuals express opposition to legal abortion.

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    My results:

    You are 42% Libertarian, which makes you a Soft-core Libertarian.
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    Your basic political view is probably more libertarian than anything else, but you nevertheless hold clear reservations about central parts of the libertarian agenda. You understand the libertarian rationales and see where they are coming from, but you still find some of their policy recommendations to be too harsh, too anarchistic, or too extreme for the overall good of society. It is people like you who add a human face (and a bleeding heart) to an ideology that is otherwise perceived as cynical.
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    "If you are not the argumentative type, you had best stay clear of libertarians - they have a reputation for being insufferable in an argument."

    Well, that would explain a lot of things...
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    This seems too far right. Probably because of several questions about market vs. government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    My results:

    You are 42% Libertarian, which makes you a Soft-core Libertarian.
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    What do you think of the idea that all women have a right to an abortion because having a baby is not convenient for them to have one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    What do you think of the idea that all women have a right to an abortion because having a baby is not convenient for them to have one?
    If you don't know, you haven't been paying attention, Jerry. Maybe Anna can explain it to you.
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