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    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    Ok, what are we before we choose? Are we good and not foolish? Imagine a time line; imagine someone moving along it. Are they good people for a while and then at some point on the line become wicked?
    The Bible mentions that there is a time when human children are too young to know to choose good and refuse evil.

    Isaiah 7:16
    16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    Chaff is a metaphor for the unrighteous as the grain is a metaphor for the righteous.
    Though the chaff has no choice in becoming chaff, mankind does have the free-will choice of being righteous or being unrighteous.
    Therefore, we can blame the unrighteous for choosing unrighteousness over righteousness.
    So was there ever a time when the unrighteous were righteous?

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    The Bible mentions that there is a time when human children are too young to know to choose good and refuse evil.

    Isaiah 7:16
    16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.
    Ok, now move along the time line past the point where you're liable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    In the ANALOGY both wheat and chaff chose to be wheat and chaff.

    So you're still asking silly questions.
    Hey, I've been nice.

    But what was the wheat before it chose to be wheat, and what was the chaff before it chose to be chaff?

    In your defense I now see I'm not asking my question the right way. Will work on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    So was there ever a time when the unrighteous were righteous?
    All of my ancestors are human.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    Hey, I've been nice.

    But what was the wheat before it chose to be wheat, and what was the chaff before it chose to be chaff?

    In your defense I now see I'm not asking my question the right way. Will work on it.
    You are trying force your bias onto the Bible. Therefore, you ask dumb and silly questions. Whether you think that it's nice or not, it's just true.
    All of my ancestors are human.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    You are trying force your bias onto the Bible. Therefore, you ask dumb and silly questions. Whether you think that it's nice or not, it's just true.
    You're not nice. Jesus' commandment was "treat others as you would have others treat you". Food for thought.

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    You're not nice. Jesus' commandment was "treat others as you would have others treat you". Food for thought.
    I didn't say that I was being nice. I said that what I said was true. Therefore, I am honest.

    And Yes, if I were as silly as you I would want others to tell me that. So instead of being a "victim", accept some honesty.
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    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    You're not nice. Jesus' commandment was "treat others as you would have others treat you". Food for thought.
    Jesus wasn't nice either.

    http://kgov.com/nice

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Jesus wasn't nice either.

    http://kgov.com/nice
    Matthew 23 is missing in many people's Bibles.
    All of my ancestors are human.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    So was there ever a time when the unrighteous were righteous?
    Throughout our walk through life, we often swap back and forth between being unrighteous and being righteous.


    Ezekiel 18:20-24,26-28
    20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
    21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
    22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
    23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
    24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

    26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.
    27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
    28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Jesus wasn't nice either.

    http://kgov.com/nice
    Incorrect. He was nice. He just wasn't milquetoast, he didn't mince words... Do you think Jesus went around being a jerk and being mean b/c "Jesus wasn't nice"? When his disciples pressed him with questions did he say "Sheesh, what are you a dunder head ha ha ha ha..."? Come on, man. You know what's right. Look in yourself and be honest. That's what Jesus told us to do instead of memorizing laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    Separating chaff from wheat makes sense to me; but I've never been able to get anyone to answer a straight forward question which is; how is it possible to fault chaff for being chaff?

    Thanks.
    chaff is a part of wheat

    you only get chaff at the end of the life of wheat


    Mat 3:12 whose fan is in His hand, and He will cleanse His floor and gather His wheat into the storehouse; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.


    everyone is given a life (wheat) but are spiritually dead unless they are made alive in Christ.
    if they remain spiritually dead they are chaff(dead seed)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    Incorrect. He was nice. He just wasn't milquetoast, he didn't mince words... Do you think Jesus went around being a jerk and being mean b/c "Jesus wasn't nice"? When his disciples pressed him with questions did he say "Sheesh, what are you a dunder head ha ha ha ha..."? Come on, man. You know what's right. Look in yourself and be honest. That's what Jesus told us to do instead of memorizing laws.
    I think you should take back what you said so you don't embarrass yourself, and then go read the article I linked to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post
    chaff is a part of wheat

    you only get chaff at the end of the life of wheat


    Mat 3:12 whose fan is in His hand, and He will cleanse His floor and gather His wheat into the storehouse; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.


    everyone is given a life (wheat) but are spiritually dead unless they are made alive in Christ.
    if they remain spiritually dead they are chaff(dead seed)
    I see. So I guess what I'm asking is, what makes one person remain spiritually dead and another not make this mistake?

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