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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    What would the Hebrew have meant of it said "in" the face?









    It doesn't say flying in/across the face of the heaven. It's across the face of the firmament (of the heavens).



    I'm pretty sure we're all in full agreement that there is an atmosphere.

    Sorry. I think I misread your analysis of my assumptions.

    "Tidal waves," actually tsunami, do very little to the ground they run over. Some superficial erosion when they hit the shore. That's relative, of course. They can destroy towns, but they don't cause "massive geological upheaval."



    I think we're mostly on the same page, except you seem to place a lot of stock in rainfall as a source of water and destruction, while I think the fountains provided all the water and led to all the destabilization of the planet.

    Is that fair?
    We are in general agreement. You've misinterpreted a lot of what I've said though. My comments on the amount of rain come from pointing out that world wide rain of the amount that happened during the flood is beyond what our atmosphere could now hold. It goes to what Moses said about separating the waters of the deep from the waters above the firmament. The earth's climate and atmosphere before the flood was completely different. As evidence I point out that there was no rain prior to the flood. The earth was watered by dew. No irrigation needed for crops. The dew was heavy enough, frequent enough, and consistent enough to take the place of rain. That points to a much different atmosphere and climate than we now have.

    Genesis 1:6-8 point this out. That the firmament was between bodies of water. In other words the earth was a type of greenhouse with a device for filtering out radiation, ultraviolet light, etc... all of which are harmful to us and shorten our life spans. Remember the lifespans of the antedeluvians? Breaking that upper body of water up would account for the massive rainfall amounts that occurred. Now we get rain only in parts of the earth at a time. During the flood it rained for 40 days and 40 nights over the entire earth at the same time.

    Remember the ooparts thread? One of the ooparts that was found deep underground is a piece of brass that could only have been created in an atmosphere without ultraviolet light. We can't, even today, manufacture anything like it as our environment is full of ultraviolet light. It, once again, points to a time on earth where ultraviolet light was not a part of our environment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    As I say: When there is disagreement, we should strive to phrase things in a manner that both sides can agree with. The Bible says that God created a firmament within the deep to divide water from water.
    Let's start there and stay there until we have a starting point that we both can agree with.

    Here are several English translations of the relevant verses.


    Genesis 1:6-8 NIV
    6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.”
    7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so.
    8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.




    Genesis 1:6-8 NABRE
    6 Then God said: Let there be a dome in the middle of the waters, to separate one body of water from the other.
    7 God made the dome,[a] and it separated the water below the dome from the water above the dome. And so it happened.
    8 God called the dome “sky.” Evening came, and morning followed—the second day.




    Genesis 1:6-8 KJV
    6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
    7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
    8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.




    Genesis 1:6-8 ERV
    The Second Day—Sky
    6 Then God said, “Let there be a space[a] to separate the water into two parts!”
    7 So God made the space and separated the water. Some of the water was above it, and some of the water was below it.
    8 God named that space “sky.” There was evening, and then there was morning. This was the second day.




    Genesis 1:6-8 AMP
    6 And God said, “Let there be an [a]expanse [of the sky] in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters [below the expanse] from the waters [above the expanse].”
    7 And God made the expanse [of sky] and separated the waters which were under the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse; and it was so [just as He commanded].
    8 God called the expanse [of sky] heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.



    Each of these translations is a true and accurate translation of the verses.

    Do you agree?
    Learn to read what is written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    So you're saying He did plan to live on Earth?

    Seems reasonable to call it heaven then.
    Only if you don't like what the Bible says about it.

    Revelation 21:2-3
    2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
    3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    Each of these translations is a true and accurate translation of the verses.

    Do you agree?
    No.
    Where is the evidence for a global flood?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    No.
    Then we have no place to begin working on an agreement.
    Learn to read what is written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    Then we have no place to begin working on an agreement.
    Why not?

    You've provided translations that say contradictory things with respect to a specific idea. Are you going to insist that a word without a lot of use to look upon has to have multiple contradictory definitions?
    Where is the evidence for a global flood?
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