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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    Murder seemed to be a huge part of many of the American Indian tribes 'culture'.

    Murder is a huge part of colonialist culture. Of 'manifest destiny' culture. Of religious culture.

    You made a thread to tell us how "barbarian" the Native Americans were because... why? What's your point? Because you want to whitewash the fact that "our 19th century ancestors were heartless, brutal imperialists?"

    Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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    There is a fascinating documentary called Reel Injin. The director is a Native American who travels the country talking to Native Americans about their experiences growing up and how the portrayal of Native Americans on film affected their lives. They tell stories from a Native American perspective, a rarity in the film industry even today. There is a scene where the narrator shows a scene of a film from 1972 that he saw as a kid to a group of young Native Americans that shows the graphic slaughter of Native people by the US Army. This is the first time something like this was ever shown in a major film.

    Warning: The violence is graphic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    Murder is a huge part of ....

    .... human nature

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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    Murder is a huge part of colonialist culture. Of 'manifest destiny' culture. Of religious culture.
    The Catholic Popes were responsible for committing some pretty horrendous atrocities throughout history, which goes against biblical teachings. Those atrocities are in the modern day history books, the barbaric practices of the pagan American Indian are not. Hence the purpose of this thread.

    You made a thread to tell us how "barbarian" the Native Americans were because... why? What's your point? Because you want to whitewash the fact that "our 19th century ancestors were heartless, brutal imperialists?"
    The truth needs to be known about pagan people and their barbaric practices. As seen in various posts in this somewhat short thread, people are told that the American Indian were the original conservationists, when in reality they raped the land of animals and other resources (farmlands). People are told that the European settlers committed atrocities against American Indians (which there are documented cases showing that) without being told the story behind those atrocities (i.e. retaliation for European settlers and their families being brutally murdered).

    That being said: The biggest atrocity that the American government has committed against the American Indian is to put him on a reservation (and thus not encourage him to assimilate into American society) and then pay him for being Indian.

    Hence poverty runs rampant amongst the tribes (even though they have multi million dollar casinos which make the Chiefs very rich) and the American Indian is enslaved to the bureaucratic US Government and it's Bureau of Indian Affairs.


    5 Ways The Government Keeps Native Americans In Poverty

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspi.../#6efaea752c27

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    Quite the imperialist ACW has become….facinating
    The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    Quite the imperialist ACW has become….facinating
    What is the official Libertarian stance on the huge bureaucracy known as the Bureau of Indian Affairs?

    I would think that would go against Libertarian doctrine.

    Let's see what Libertarian writer Chris Edwards has to say about it:

    Indian Lands, Indian Subsidies, and the Bureau of Indian Affairs
    https://www.downsizinggovernment.org...dian-subsidies

    Oh my, does that make us allies Doc?
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    Quite the imperialist ACW has become….facinating
    Isn't that cute, brum - he wants to be your buddy

    :barf:

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    Isn't that cute, brum - he wants to be your buddy

    :barf:
    If you read the article that I linked from a Libertarian author, Christianity wasn't mentioned at all (they never do mention it in a positive light) and the author even gave accolades to the American Indian and their casinos (where Big Chief Slot Machine 'scalps' little ole ladies of their dead husbands pension check).

    Needless to say, while there are some agreements between Christians and Libertarians, in this case the bureaucracy of the Bureau of Indian Affairs, if you look closer we really don't agree on anything.
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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    The American Indian raped the land and destroyed the wildlife? This is the most ludicrous assertion I've ever seen.

    The herds of buffalo were so large when the white man arrived that it sometimes took days for a herd to pass a single point. Buffalo herd size, not combined herd numbers, was estimated to be in the millions. That's right. A single herd could number into the millions of buffalo. Game such as deer, elk, turkey, antelope, mountain sheep, etc... were found in great numbers. When a tribe had their village in a place long enough for game begin to get scarce in that locale the Indians picked up and moved. That allowed the animals in the area where they had just lived to reproduce and build the numbers once again. The Indian was not stupid enough to kill off all the game in any area. He knew his life would depend on the game being there at a later date so he could live there once again as each tribe had a limited area in which they could roam due to their enemies also holding areas of land.

    The streams and rivers were loaded with fish. They were caught with bare hooks without having to snag them. The beaver populations were enormous as the Indians left them almost completely alone thus the water distribution systems were in very good shape and the rest of the animals had many watering holes.

    One other very interesting point about the American Indian. Many tribes didn't even have a word for lying as it was unknown in their world. Could the Indian be cruel? Oh yes. Without a doubt. Most tribes lived for war with their neighbors. Being a warrior was a status symbol. In a lot of tribes a young man couldn't even get married until he had counted coup on an enemy. And he paid a dowry for his wife/wives with the horses he stole from the other tribes near him. And, one of the things Indian tribes did was own slaves. They would raid a neighboring tribe, steal some of their women and make them the camp slaves. Some weren't treated badly and later became adopted members of the tribe. Other captives were worked to death or beaten to death. Their lives were living hells.

    The Indian, with a few exceptions, were much cleaner than the white man too.

    That didn't make the Indians perfect by any means as torture was a way life for them. When an Indian from another tribe, or a white man, was captured it was common practice to put them to death by torture. And their methods of torture were pretty vicious. They included tying down their victim so that his head would be far enough from the ground to build a small fire under. They would then bake the head of their victim until his brain boiled and his eyes basically melted. They would repeatedly rape white women and girls using gang rape techniques. They would rape them to death. Scalping was far from the worst thing to happen to a captive. Both men and women prisoners would be mutilated. The men would have their genitals cut off and stuck in their mouths. Women would have their breasts sliced off. Another one of the things done was to take pine slivers made from very pitchy wood and stick it under the fingernails of their victims and then light them on fire. All these things were done to men, women, and children. One thing the Indian did to white children was to take them by their heels and beat their heads against a wall or a rock until they were unrecognizable. Just like the Nazis did to Jewish children.

    The Indian was not the gentle person the socialists love to portray them as. Yes, they were cheated out of their lands and every treaty they ever signed was broken by the white man. But neither side was guiltless. Just think about coming home to find your family butchered as I have described above and think about what your view of an Indian would be then. As to innocent Indians being punished for the bloodletting of other Indians, that happened on both sides. To an Indian a white man was a white man so killing one white man for the outrage committed by another white man was logical and right. Same thing went for the killing of one Indian for the outrage committed by another Indian. Both sides were guilty. People on both sides had plenty of reason to hate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ffreeloader View Post
    The American Indian raped the land and destroyed the wildlife? This is the most ludicrous assertion I've ever seen.
    Already addressed in an earlier post:
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5352896

    One other very interesting point about the American Indian. Many tribes didn't even have a word for lying as it was unknown in their world. Could the Indian be cruel? Oh yes. Without a doubt. Most tribes lived for war with their neighbors. Being a warrior was a status symbol. In a lot of tribes a young man couldn't even get married until he had counted coup on an enemy. And he paid a dowry for his wife/wives with the horses he stole from the other tribes near him. And, one of the things Indian tribes did was own slaves. They would raid a neighboring tribe, steal some of their women and make them the camp slaves. Some weren't treated badly and later became adopted members of the tribe. Other captives were worked to death or beaten to death. Their lives were living hells.
    The barbarianism of the American Indian has been addressed throughout this thread, but thanks for acknowledging it.

    The Indian, with a few exceptions, were much cleaner than the white man too.

    That didn't make the Indians perfect by any means as torture was a way life for them. When an Indian from another tribe, or a white man, was captured it was common practice to put them to death by torture.
    I'm not sure why you wrote that the Indian was much cleaner (sanitary wise is what I suspect you meant) and then started talking about torture? Can you give some examples of the sanitation habits of various Indian tribes?

    Yes, they were cheated out of their lands and every treaty they ever signed was broken by the white man.
    How does one "cheat" a nomadic people out of land that they never owned or fully inhabited in the first place?

    But neither side was guiltless.
    The European settlers were "guilty" of bringing Christianity to a barbaric pagan people. Is that a bad thing? The bad thing is that the American Indian didn't embrace Christianity.
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
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    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    How does one "cheat" a nomadic people out of land that they never owned or fully inhabited in the first place?

    The European settlers were "guilty" of bringing Christianity to a barbaric pagan people. Is that a bad thing? The bad thing is that the American Indian didn't embrace Christianity.

    Where to begin with you and your 19th. century racism... Eh. Not gonna bother with it. Waste of time.

    Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    Where to begin with you and your 19th. century racism... Eh. Not gonna bother with it. Waste of time.
    I suppose a thread exposing the truth about a pagan culture wouldn't be complete without someone crying "Racist!"

    As I'd shown in an earlier post, many American Indian icons from yesteryear converted to Christianity. It's unfortunate that the majority did not, as if they had, we wouldn't be seeing big casinos on practically every Indian reservation across the nation, but Christian churches instead.

    There's always hope though, as there are some great organizations within the American Indian community that promote Christianity:

    American Indian Christian Mission is one of them.
    https://www.aicm.org/
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
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    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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    "The only good Indian is a dead Indian ". Pretty much says it all . Yes, the various indigenous tribes fought brutal wars with each other and committed atrocities . The Incas brutally suppressed smaller surrounding peoples in order to make their empire and the Aztecs and Mayas sacrificed who knows how many people by cutting their hearts out .
    But does this justify the atrocities committed by white settlers ? Does this justify putting native children in schools and subjecting them to cruel punishments for speaking their native languages in order to teach them English and wipe out the way of life of these indigenous peoples ?
    Does it justify the infamous "Trail of tears " ordered by president Andrew Jackson where the Cherokees were ordered to go by foot to be resettled in Oklahoma , and where so many died brutal deaths along the way ? I think not . Atrocities are atrocities no matter who commits them .

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horn View Post
    Yes, the various indigenous tribes fought brutal wars with each other and committed atrocities . The Incas brutally suppressed smaller surrounding peoples in order to make their empire and the Aztecs and Mayas sacrificed who knows how many people by cutting their hearts out.
    Thank you for acknowledging what's already been established numerous times throughout this thread.

    Now let's talk about the attempt to assimilate those people that committed barbaric acts into the Judeo-Christian based society that America was:

    Cultural assimilation of Native Americans

    The cultural assimilation of Native Americans was an assimilation effort by the United States to transform Native American culture to European–American culture between the years of 1790 and 1920.[1][2] George Washington and Henry Knox were first to propose, in an American context, the cultural transformation of Native Americans.[3] They formulated a policy to encourage the civilizing process.[2] With increased waves of immigration from Europe, there was growing public support for education to encourage a standard set of cultural values and practices to be held in common by the majority of citizens. Education was viewed as the primary method in the acculturation process for minorities.

    Americanization policies were based on the idea that when indigenous people learned United States (American) customs and values, they would be able to merge tribal traditions with American culture and peacefully join the majority of the society. After the end of the Indian Wars, in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, the government outlawed the practice of traditional religious ceremonies. It established Native American boarding schools which children were required to attend. In these schools they were forced to speak English, study standard subjects, attend church, and leave tribal traditions behind.
    Read more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultur...tive_Americans


    Unfortunately liberals won the war against assimilating the American Indian into Judeo-Christian based American culture and hence the American Indian has been subjected to the things that come with liberalism:

    Rampant fatherless homes, rampant alcoholism, rampant poverty and rampant early death amongst the American Indian people.
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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