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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    Yep, those savages.....
    Irving Howbert, an 18-year-old cavalryman who later became one of the founders of Colorado Springs, long defended Chivington's role in the events. In his autobiographical Memories of a Lifetime in the Pike's Peak Region, Howbert argues that the Indian women and children were not attacked, but a few who did not leave the camp were killed once the fighting began. He said that the number of warriors in the village was about equal to the force of the Colorado cavalry. According to Howbert, Chivington was retaliating for Indian attacks on wagon trains and settlements in Colorado and for the torture and the killings of citizens during the preceding three years; evidence of attacks on the white settlers – including "more than a dozen scalps of white people, some of them from the heads of women and children" – was found in the Indian camp after the battle.[10]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Chivington

    Don't cha just hate it when the other side of the story is told?

    Can we agree on the term barbaric savages?
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    Those primitive, backwards Neanderthals thwarting progress....and God forbid, Christianity...how dare they?
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    The Indians slaughtered, i.e. killed off, the buffalo through wasting it. What a moronic statement. When the white man showed up the buffalo were everywhere. They ranged as far east as Kentucky and all the way to the Rocky Mountains and from down into what is now Mexico north into what is now Canada.. The buffalo flat out thrived when there were only Indians on the continent.

    The Comanches killed 280,000 buffalo? LOL. Is that all? Where did you get your stats? That you think that is an excessive slaughter of the buffalo shows your ignorance. The mainstay of the Comanche diet was buffalo meat. They used the hides for bedding and shelter. How long do you think a single buffalo would last in a village of 200 warriors? That means the total population of that village was probably 800-1000 people. And the Comanche didn't have an idle lifestyle. They burned calories like they were going out of style. They didn't go sit behind a desk and look at a computer screen all day. They were continually burning calories. Ever rode a horse 12 or 14 hours a day? How about walked 10 to 20 miles all the while bending, stooping, digging, while in the process of finding herbs, wild edible plant life including edible roots which were dug up with a stick not a metal shovel. I would not be surprised at all to learn that the average adult Indian burned 5000 calories a day, or more. How about having to scrape a buffalo hide and tan it. It's hard work. It's an extremely active life the NA Indians lived.

    You look at your own life style and go from there rather than looking at how the Indian lived, putting yourself in his place, and use that as your starting point. All I did here was barely scratch the surface of how the Indian lived and what his dietary needs were, and how many uses the Indian had for different parts of a buffalo. Buffalo robes were an important part of the wealth of an Indian. They didn't waste them. If they did they froze, went hungry, exposed themselves to elements, all winter long.

    The Indian actually threw away very little of a buffalo. They used the intestines, the sinews, the bones, the meat, the hide, the brains, the blood, and more that I can't remember off the top of my head. The white man? He killed the buffalo, skinned it, and left the rest to rot. Oh, he might take the tongue and the hump out of 2 or 3 of the 50 to 100 buffalo he killed in a day,as those were considered choice cuts by buffalo hunters, but that was it. Out of the 1500 lbs a buffalo weighed the buffalo hunters wasted all but the 100lbs or so of hide.

    This entire thread is just another troll as all you have is the merest of surface information and knowledge and then proclaim yourself to have a very informed position. ***rolls eyes***
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    I'm reminded of the viewers first introduction to the character of Tywin Lannister, the power behind the throne in Game of Thrones. He's talking strategy and tactics with his idiot son, all the while up to his elbows in gore, skinning a deer/elk.


    Warning, may not be appropriate - language, images:
    Spoiler


    Men who lived like this, up to their elbows in gore, didn't think of their enemies as human, just as obstructions to be overcome.

    This applies equally to indians and colonials/settlers, by the way.

    Yes, they were brutal and savage.

    Yes, we were brutal and savage.

    We won.

    Get over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    I'm reminded of the viewers first introduction to the character of Tywin Lannister, the power behind the throne in Game of Thrones.
    First Steve Martin and John Candy in Plains, Trains and Automobiles, and now Game of Thrones? I guess when the evidence of American Indian savagery is presented and can't be defended, why not change the subject and talk about movies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ffreeloader View Post
    The Indians slaughtered, i.e. killed off, the buffalo through wasting it. What a moronic statement. When the white man showed up the buffalo were everywhere. They ranged as far east as Kentucky and all the way to the Rocky Mountains and from down into what is now Mexico north into what is now Canada.. The buffalo flat out thrived when there were only Indians on the continent.
    Already addressed in an earlier post.

    Interestingly enough, the rise of the American buffalo may have coincided with the fall of the Native American tribes. According to this theory, put forth by Charles Mann, the Native Americans originally created grasslands for the buffalo population and heavily regulated their activities.
    “Hernando De Soto’s expedition staggered through the Southeast for four years in the early 16th century and saw hordes of people but apparently did not see a single bison.” ~ Charles Mann, 1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus
    When the Europeans first arrived in the New World, they inadvertently brought along diseases with them. Native Americans died off in massive numbers and buffalo herds found themselves free. They began to roam and quickly spread across the land, eventually becoming the most dominant large animal in what is now the United States.

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    The Comanches killed 280,000 buffalo? LOL.
    A year.

    Is that all?
    That's a lot of buffalo to sportingly herd over cliffs.

    Where did you get your stats?
    I addressed it in an earlier post. Being that this is a short thread as it is, please do your homework before you write.

    And the Comanche didn't have an idle lifestyle. They burned calories like they were going out of style. They didn't go sit behind a desk and look at a computer screen all day. They were continually burning calories. Ever rode a horse 12 or 14 hours a day?
    While I can't speak from experience, I would imagine disemboweling and scalping women and children would cause a savage to work up a robust appetite.

    The Indian actually threw away very little of a buffalo.
    Historians have stated differently. Again, that topic was already discussed in earlier posts.

    This entire thread is just another troll as all you have is the merest of surface information and knowledge and then proclaim yourself to have a very informed position. ***rolls eyes***
    I realize that as an American Indian that this thread is very offensive to you Aar...ahem, ffreeloader, but since liberalism has taken over the history books, you won't read or hear this information unless you make special efforts to seek it out.
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    The insanity continues...

    David Hogg: Today’s Mass Shootings Stem from America’s ‘Indigenous Mass Shootings’ and ‘White Supremacy’

    Sept. 6, 2019

    Friday on MSNBC’s All In, March for Our Lives co-founder David Hogg discussed what he believed was the origin of mass shootings in the United States.
    Hogg said, “I think it comes down to reckoning with our history and our history of white supremacy in the United States. The fact that we live in a post-genocidal society oftentimes that was orchestrated by the United States government in that if we want to talk about mass shootings, we need to recognize the massive number of indigenous mass shootings that was conducted by the United States government. I think back to the battle of Wounded-Knee and the several hundred Native Americans, predominately men, woman, and children that were slaughtered by the United States government back in the nineteenth century. And how that is never discussed as a mass shooting. And that was wrong because those people were not armed, and we were stealing their land.”
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...ite-supremacy/
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    I want to talk more about the battle at Wounded-Knee. Back with that later.
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    Unburying the Truth at Wounded Knee

    Rosemary W. Pennington · 21 June, 2015

    A firsthand report from an army officer who was there
    Introduction: John Greenway, Professor of Anthropology at the University of Colorado and a specialist in the history of American Indians has found thirteen errors on the first page of the introduction to Dee Brown’s bestseller Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee. He also has evidence that the author plagiarized two chapters of the book. As an antidote to this barefaced tour de force of Redskin propaganda, we reprint a letter to the Cavalry Journal on April 5, 1938 by Colonel Harry L. Hawthorne (pictured), who was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor for his bravery at the Wounded Knee shootout.



    AS A PARTICIPANT in the engagement at Wounded Knee Creek, I will quote freely from a report made by me in 1931 to the Historical Division of the War Department. In this engagement my station was on a low hill overlooking the camp occupied by the Indians, and from which I could view the disposition of our troops, and every detail of events which led up to the opening of the fight, and the final dispersion and pursuit of the Indians...

    The night passed peacefully, during which the third squadron of the Seventh Cavalry with General Forsyth arrived and additional artillery under Captain Caprom. Major Whitside, having learned that Big Foot was ill, sent the surgeon of the command to visit him. He was suffering from pneumonia and was attended by our surgeon several times during the night.

    The Indian men had been summoned to a powwow and leaving their tepees they appeared wrapped in their blankets, with their arms concealed under them, a fact unknown to our Commanding Officer at the time. They sat down in the open space within their camp and during the talk, details from the cavalry passed among the tepees looking for their arms. This resultless search proved that the Indians had their rifles with them and they were called upon to give them up as a preliminary to terms of surrender. Big Foot, lying on a litter, had been brought out of his tepee at the first gathering of his men and was present among them during the entire scene. While waiting for a decision by the Indians their Medicine Man began a dance and chant. A few minutes after this, our interpreter, much alarmed, reported to General Forsyth that he was inciting his people to arise and attack the whites and that their ghost shirts would protect them from the bullets of the soldiers. In a moment the Indians were on their feet pouring volley after volley into two troops of dismounted cavalry standing near and in close order. This sudden, wholly unexpected and unprovoked attack by the Indians was so fierce and overwhelming that the ranks of the soldiers facing them melted away with scarcely a shot in reply leaving about twenty-five dead and thirty-five wounded on the field.


    The fight at Wounded Knee was wholly unnecessary. There was no act nor demand by the army which could have justified this violent and savage attack by the Indians. All that was asked of them was that they return to the reservation and that they surrender their arms as an act of good faith.
    Very truly, H. L. Hawthorne
    As a postscript to Wounded Knee, we turn to Brigadier General S.L.A. Marshall, one of America’s foremost military historians and himself part Indian:
    There is no doubt who started that day’s fight, though it is often called a massacre. Forsyth may have been clumsy and his soldiers have been rude and provocative, but deliberate Sioux action, so timed as to indicate that it had been well plotted, initiated the slaughter. Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee may be a lovely phrase. [It was cooked up by the Majority renegade poet Stephen Vincent Benet.] It is still a false and misleading sentiment, dignifying conspiracy and honoring treachery.

    Source: Instauration magazine, January 1977

    Read more: https://nationalvanguard.org/2015/06...-wounded-knee/
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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    Source: Instauration magazine, January 1977
    Why am I not surprised that both your sources are from white supremacist/white nationalist publications...

    Instauration is not brilliant, intelligent or witty. It is a vulgar hate sheet. Nearly every article is filled with racist venom.

    There will be no black progress, said one article, "until someone tells us how you can get inside genes and do a little redesigning." It said "walls should be erected around such cities as New York, Philadelphia, Detroit and Los Angeles to bottle up non-whites."

    Harvey Milk, the San Francisco city councilman murdered by Dan White, was reviled as "another dead Jewish 'hero' . . . the faggot councilman." Accounts of Nazi genocide are "Holocaust atrocity-mongering." Jeane Kirkpatrick was castigated for defending Israel and urged to "stop pounding the drums for someone else's race and start pounding the drums for your own." Rep. Newt Gingrich, R-Ga., was suspected of being contaminated by Jewish ancestry and was criticized for hiring a black staff aide. Instauration said he is one of those conservatives who "couldn't care less about the tragic racial transformation of their country wrought by high non-white birthrates and vast torrents of legal and illegal non-white immigrants."

    One conservative who gets different treatment is Sobran. In September 1985, Instauration ran an article titled "The Brave Pen of Joseph Sobran," which said he "has repeatedly defended white racial pride and solidarity."

    Sobran isn't to blame for that article. But he is to blame for aligning himself with vicious hate-mongers who advocate race war and regret the defeat of Hitler. There is no way to praise a magazine like Instauration without being implicated in its vile fantasies.

    In a telephone interview, Sobran conceded that Instauration is "racist" and insisted his praise of it was not "unqualified." But he declined to recant the complimentary words he wrote about the magazine. His only violation, he said, is one of "etiquette."



    Instauration was a monthly magazine published from December 1975 through February 2000, ending with volume 25, issue 3. It was published by Wilmot Robertson(Sumner Humphrey Ireland), who also wrote The Dispossessed Majority (1973) and The Ethnostate (1992).

    The Dispossessed Majority was decried as a white supremacist book when notice of it was mailed to students at the Marist School and the Lovett School in 1987.The magazine and Robertson's books share much in common. The editorial office of Instauration was in Cape Canaveral, Florida, and the publisher was Howard Allen Enterprises, Inc.

    Instauration was a magazine with diverse coverage, including economic theory, social commentary, international trends, literary pieces, and letters to the editor. Many people found the subject matter distasteful, and as a result, authorship was often anonymous or pseudonymous. For those who approve of eugenics, historical revisionism, and discussions of the racial makeup of populations, the writing of Instauration was very pleasing. But many would characterize the publication as promoting racism and Holocaust denial. Instauration also published numerous articles arguing that Christianity was a contrived religion.

    Mitch Berbrier, in an article titled "Impression Management for the Thinking Racist", characterizes the effort embodied in the magazine as "stigma transformation", intended "to present an intellectualized rhetoric of racism and white supremacy".

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    National Vanguard was a magazine published by the National Vanguard Books, Inc., a non-profit corporation linked to the National Alliance. It is a follow-up of the publication Attack!. National Vanguard's first editor was William Luther Pierce, the founder of the National Alliance. The magazine covers issues from a white nationalist perspective. The headquarters of the magazine was originally based in Arlington County, Virginia and later relocated with National Alliance offices to Hillsboro, West Virginia.



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    Like clockwork, the liberals respond to the truthfulness of my last post. You're playing the same "racist!" card here as you/your allies did in my thread entitled "The Politically Incorrect Truth About Martin Luther King Jr.", so this was expected.

    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    Why am I not surprised that both your sources are from white supremacist/white nationalist publications...
    When I read the account of the Wounded-Knee "massacre" from various publications, things just didn't add up. Many articles said that the Indians were unarmed, and later in those same articles stated that 25 soldiers were killed in the battle.

    How are unarmed Indians able to kill 25 soldiers and as shown in my post, injure 35 more?.

    I then did some research about the "Ghost Dance" and saw that basically it is a war dance to inspire American Indians to take back what they believed was once there's, and how intimidating it would be for settlers and Army personnel to view it.



    That being said: I first looked for the other side of the story about Wounded Knee in all of the reliable sources that liberals use (CNN, Washington Post, Planned Parenthood, HRC.org, Socialist Workers Party, etc. etc.) and can you believe it, not one strayed from the lie that it was a massacre by Army soldiers!

    If you want to attempt to refute that John Greenway, Professor of Anthropology at the University of Colorado and a specialist in the history of American Indians found thirteen errors on the first page of the introduction to Dee Brown’s bestseller Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee, please attempt to do so.

    If you want to attempt to refute the official report that Colonel Harry L. Hawthorne, who was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor for his bravery at the Wounded Knee shootout wrote, then please attempt to do so.

    If you want to attempt to refute what Brigadier General S.L.A. Marshall, one of America’s foremost military historians and himself part Indian, said about the lies put forth smearing what really happened at Wounded-Knee, then please attempt to do so.

    I look forward to your reply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    I look forward to your reply.
    You looked lower and lower until you found what you wanted to find. In white supremacist/white nationalist publications.

    There's no way back from that.



    Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    You looked lower and lower until you found what you wanted to find. In white supremacist/white nationalist publications.

    There's no way back from that.


    Based on what reputable military historians and highly decorated Army Officers said, I found the truth behind the Wounded Knee alleged "massacre".
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
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