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    The Politically Incorrect Truth About American Indians

    Many Americans seem to have bought into a story in which our 19th century ancestors were heartless, brutal imperialists while American Indians were the peaceful victims of American atrocities.

    There were certainly some atrocities committed by some American soldiers and settlers. And there were certainly some peaceful Indian tribes, like the Tonkawas or Delawares. But the idea of peaceful, innocent American Indians being regularly slaughtered by American soldiers and settlers for no reason is quite frankly, mythology.

    The following examples come from the book, A Fate Wore Than Death; Indian Captivities in the West; 1830-1885 by Gregory and Sussan Michno. The book is often gruelingly gruesome, but is hard to put down.

    Read more: http://www.reclinercommentaries.com/...han-death.html

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    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    Many Americans seem to have bought into a story in which our 19th century ancestors were heartless, brutal imperialists while American Indians were the peaceful victims of American atrocities.

    There were certainly some atrocities committed by some American soldiers and settlers. And there were certainly some peaceful Indian tribes, like the Tonkawas or Delawares. But the idea of peaceful, innocent American Indians being regularly slaughtered by American soldiers and settlers for no reason is quite frankly, mythology.

    The following examples come from the book, A Fate Wore Than Death; Indian Captivities in the West; 1830-1885 by Gregory and Sussan Michno. The book is often gruelingly gruesome, but is hard to put down.

    Read more: http://www.reclinercommentaries.com/...han-death.html

    90% of the aboriginal population in North and South America were rapidly wiped out by diseases like "smallpox" that were imported from Europe - so New World natives were never in a position to marshal a concerted response in defence of their homelands!

    It also explains that as the number of aboriginals dwindled. European settlers were forced to replace native slaves with slaves imported from Africa who, apparently, possessed greater resistance to these imported diseases!

    New World aboriginals were no more or less violent than their counterparts in other parts of the world at the same stage(s) of development - given that the Old Testament records that the Israelites were instructed to kill every man, woman and child when conquering Jericho, European Christians have some difficulty claiming to be morally superior to their non-Christian adversaries!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
    90% of the aboriginal population in North and South America was wiped out by diseases like "smallpox" that were imported from Europe - so natives were never in a position to mount a credible defence of their homeland!

    It also explains that as the number of aboriginals dwindled. European settlers were forced to replace them with slaves imported from Africa who possessed greater resistance to these imported diseases!
    Aside from the conspiracy theory that blankets were purposely infected with smallpox, can you believe the barbaric practices of the various Indian tribes? Even the women were savages.
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    Aside from the conspiracy theory that blankets were purposely infected with smallpox, can you believe the barbaric practices of the various Indian tribes? Even the women were savages.
    Read "Lord of the Flies" - its easy to moralize when you've never experienced a subsistence existence whereby "barbaric" and "savage" practices may be the difference between life and death!

    Given the scale of the maltreatment and genocide inflicted on millions of captured soldiers and civilians during WW2 by supposedly Christian European nations, the aboriginals in the New World could be considered amateurs when it came to barbaric and savage practices!

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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    Aside from the conspiracy theory that blankets were purposely infected with smallpox, can you believe the barbaric practices of the various Indian tribes? Even the women were savages.
    It's true that there were attempts to infect Indian tribes, but that generally wasn't the case. It wasn't even necessary. In most cases, the diseases of the Europeans moved far ahead of them,and they arrived only after plagues had decimated native American populations. The Mississippian civilization collapsed from European diseases before any European arrived in the area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    Aside from the conspiracy theory that blankets were purposely infected with smallpox, can you believe the barbaric practices of the various Indian tribes? Even the women were savages.
    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
    Read "Lord of the Flies" - its easy to moralize when you've never experienced a subsistence existence whereby "barbaric" and "savage" practices may be the difference between life and death!
    There was a case in which a warrior got upset at a captive baby’s crying so he ripped the baby from its mother’s arms, threw the baby on the ground and speared it as the mother was forced to watch.
    http://www.reclinercommentaries.com/...han-death.html

    Hardly a practice that would mean the difference between life and death for the savages.


    Given the scale of the maltreatment and genocide inflicted on millions of captured soldiers and civilians during WW2 by supposedly Christian European nations, the aboriginals in the New World could be considered amateurs when it came to barbaric and savage practices!
    Yes, Adolf Hitler and his fellow homosexuals of the Third Reich, who worshipped a Nordic pagan god and abhorred Christianity, like the American Indian, did unmentionable things to men, women and children. Countless books, movies and documentaries have been written on the subject. The purpose of this thread is to show what isn't being written in the modern day history books:

    The barbarianism of the American Indian.
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    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
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    From history.

    Damn any man who sympathizes with Indians! ... I have come to kill Indians, and believe it is right and honorable to use any means under God's heaven to kill Indians. ... Kill and scalp all, big and little; nits make lice.

     - Col. John Milton Chivington, U.S. Army
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    The very first governor of California, Peter Burnnet, gave this State of the State Address in 1851.

    https://governors.library.ca.gov/add...-Burnett2.html

    Among the more immediate causes that have precipitated this state of things, may be mentioned the neglect of the General Government to make treaties with them for their lands. We have suddenly spread ourselves over the country in every direction, and appropriated whatever portion of it we pleased to ourselves, without their consent and without compensation. Although these small and scattered tribes have among them no regular government, they have some ideas of existence as a separate and independent people, and some conception of their right to the country acquired by long, uninterrupted, and exclusive possession. They have not only seen their country taken from them, but they see their ranks rapidly thinning from the effects of our diseases. They instinctively consider themselves a doomed race; and this idea leads to despair; and despair prevents them from providing the usual and necessary supply of provisions. This produces starvation, which knows but one law, that of gratification; and the natural result is, that these people kill the first stray animal they find. This leads to war between them and the whites; and war creates a hatred against the white man that never ceases to exist in the Indian bosom.

    This state of things, though produced at an earlier period by the exciting causes mentioned, would still have followed in due course of time. Our American experience has demonstrated the fact, that the two races cannot live in the same vicinity in peace...That a war of extermination will continue to be waged between the races until the Indian race becomes extinct must be expected. While we cannot anticipate this result but with painful regret, the inevitable destiny of the race is beyond the power or wisdom of man to avert.




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    Quote Originally Posted by The Berean View Post
    From history.

    Damn any man who sympathizes with Indians! ... I have come to kill Indians, and believe it is right and honorable to use any means under God's heaven to kill Indians. ... Kill and scalp all, big and little; nits make lice.

    — - Col. John Milton Chivington, U.S. Army
    Thank you for pointing out what was already addressed in the OP: That there were atrocities committed by whites/non Indians as well.

    It appears that the US Government frowned upon the actions of Chivington:

    The atrocity resulted in an investigation by the Joint Committee on the Conduct of War, and across the country most saw the massacre as a revolting butchery of mostly women and children. Regarding the massacre, Congress’ Joint Committee on the Conduct of War penned, “As to Colonel Chivington, your committee can hardly find fitting terms to describe his conduct. Wearing the uniform of the United States, which should be the emblem of justice and humanity; holding the important position of commander of a military district, and therefore having the honor of the government to that extent in his keeping, he deliberately planned and executed a foul and dastardly massacre which would have disgraced the veriest savage among those who were the victims of his cruelty. Having full knowledge of their friendly character, having himself been instrumental to some extent in placing them in their position of fancied security, he took advantage of their apprehension and defenseless condition to gratify the worst passions that ever cursed the heart of man. It is thought by some that desire for political preferment prompted him to this cowardly act; that he supposed that by pandering to the inflamed passions of an excited population he could recommend himself to their regard and consideration.”
    https://www.legendsofamerica.com/ah-johnchivington/

    The question that needs to be asked is this:

    Was Chivington and his troops responding to the one of the many barbaric acts that numerous tribes committed against settlers?
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Berean View Post
    The very first governor of California, Peter Burnnet, gave this State of the State Address in 1851.

    https://governors.library.ca.gov/add...-Burnett2.html

    Among the more immediate causes that have precipitated this state of things, may be mentioned the neglect of the General Government to make treaties with them for their lands. We have suddenly spread ourselves over the country in every direction, and appropriated whatever portion of it we pleased to ourselves, without their consent and without compensation. . They have not only seen their country taken from them, but they see their ranks rapidly thinning from the effects of our diseases. They instinctively consider themselves a doomed race; and this idea leads to despair; and despair prevents them from providing the usual and necessary supply of provisions. This produces starvation, which knows but one law, that of gratification; and the natural result is, that these people kill the first stray animal they find. This leads to war between them and the whites; and war creates a hatred against the white man that never ceases to exist in the Indian bosom.

    This state of things, though produced at an earlier period by the exciting causes mentioned, would still have followed in due course of time. Our American experience has demonstrated the fact, that the two races cannot live in the same vicinity in peace...That a war of extermination will continue to be waged between the races until the Indian race becomes extinct must be expected. While we cannot anticipate this result but with painful regret, the inevitable destiny of the race is beyond the power or wisdom of man to avert.
    Thank you for pointing out that the US was an uncivilized land and that the pagan nomadic and often times barbaric tribes that lived on it weren't the caretakers of it, but only residents.
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
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    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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    But wait, there's more! (There always is)….


    The Hungate massacre involved the murder of the family of Nathan Hungate along Running Creek (Box Elder Creek near present-day Elizabeth, Colorado) on June 11, 1864.[1][2] It was a precipitating factor leading to the Sand Creek massacre of November 29, 1864.

    The Hungates moved to the area, about 25 miles southeast of Denver, about March of that year. The family included Nathan, his wife Ellen, Laura and Florence. They lived on the ranch of Issac P. Van Wormer,[1] who employed Nathan as the ranch manager.[2] The ranch was located just south of the County Line Road between Araphaoe-Elbert counties, east of Running Creek,[3] and north of the town of Elizabeth.

    Attack[edit]
    On June 11, Nathan rode out with a hired hand, Mr. Miller, after the herd of cattle.[a] Several miles from the ranch, they saw smoke coming from the area of Hungate's cabin and suspected an attack by Native Americans. Miller said that he was riding for Denver and advised Hungate that his family was likely dead and if he went back to the cabin he would be killed, too. Hungate rode back to find that his cabin was on fire and his family had been killed and badly mutilated. He was captured and was similarly killed.[2][3] The couple was in their twenties, Laura was 2 1/2 years of age, and Florence was a 6-month-old infant.[1]
    Miller made it to Denver and gave news of the attack to Van Wormer, who rode to the ranch to find the Hungate family killed. Nathan Hungate's body was badly mutilated with 80 bullets a distance from the house. The bodies of Ellen and the two girls were found mutilated, bound together, and thrown into a shallow well. All of his stock had been taken and the buildings were burned down.[3]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungate_massacre
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    There was a case in which a warrior got upset at a captive baby’s crying so he ripped the baby from its mother’s arms, threw the baby on the ground and speared it as the mother was forced to watch.
    Given that these are 2nd and 3rd hand accounts, these stories were written by those who hand a vested interest in "demonizing" the North American Indian and providing the necessary justification for treating this group as subhuman and a rationale for forcing them off their homelands!

    Yes, Adolf Hitler and his fellow homosexuals of the Third Reich, who worshipped a Nordic pagan god and abhorred Christianity, like the American Indian, did unmentionable things to men, women and children. Countless books, movies and documentaries have been written on the subject. The purpose of this thread is to show what isn't being written in the modern day history books:

    The barbarianism of the American Indian.

    Catholic Bishops giving the Nazi salute in honor of Hitler.
    Note Joseph Goebbels (far right) and Wilhelm Frick (second from right)

    http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm
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    "Petty tyrants such as Richard Nixon, or more successful tyrants such as Hitler, have regarded themselves as exemplary Christians, an estimate their followers had no trouble accepting. Hitler’s religiosity—he was a Catholic until his death—is often glossed over, but it is critical in understanding his motivation."
    —Anne Nicol Gaylor

    - Adolf Hitler crimminalized homosexuals, herding them into concentration camps - "aCultureWarrior" would approve!

    - Martin Luther’s book, On the Jews and Their Lies, deploring Jews and implying they would be better exterminated, inspired many parts of Hitler’s Mein Kampf in which Hitler praised Luther as a hero of the Germans.

    - "We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity ... in fact our movement is Christian."
    - Adolf Hitler, 1928
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
    Given that these are 2nd and 3rd hand accounts, these stories were written by those who hand a vested interest in "demonizing" the North American Indian and providing the necessary justification for treating this group as subhuman and a rationale for forcing them of their homelands!
    In his epic work France and England in North America, the great American historian Francis Parkman describes the early 17th-century recreational and culinary habits of the Iroquois Indians (also known as the Five Nations, from whom, some will have it, the United States derived elements of its Constitution). He tells that the Iroquois, along with other tribes of northeastern United States and Canada, "were undergoing that process of extermination, absorption, or expatriation, which, as there is reason to believe, had for many generations formed the gloomy and meaningless history of the greater part of this continent." Parkman describes an attack by the Iroquois on an Algonquin hunting party, late in the autumn of 1641, and the Iroquois' treatment of their prisoners and victims:

    They bound the prisoners hand and foot, rekindled the fire, slung the kettles, cut the bodies of the slain to pieces, and boiled and devoured them before the eyes of the wretched survivors. "In a word," says the narrator [that is, the Algonquin woman who escaped to tell the tale], "they ate men with as much appetite and more pleasure than hunters eat a boar or a stag ..."
    The conquerors feasted in the lodge till nearly daybreak ... then began their march homeward with their prisoners. Among these were three women, of whom the narrator was one, who had each a child of a few weeks or months old. At the first halt, their captors took the infants from them, tied them to wooden spits, placed them to die slowly before a fire, and feasted on them before the eyes of the agonized mothers, whose shrieks, supplications, and frantic efforts to break the cords that bound them were met with mockery and laughter ..
    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v17/v17n3p-7_Beary.html
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    In his epic work France and England in North America, the great American historian Francis Parkman describes the early 17th-century recreational and culinary habits of the Iroquois Indians (also known as the Five Nations, from whom, some will have it, the United States derived elements of its Constitution). He tells that the Iroquois, along with other tribes of northeastern United States and Canada, "were undergoing that process of extermination, absorption, or expatriation, which, as there is reason to believe, had for many generations formed the gloomy and meaningless history of the greater part of this continent." Parkman describes an attack by the Iroquois on an Algonquin hunting party, late in the autumn of 1641, and the Iroquois' treatment of their prisoners and victims:

    They bound the prisoners hand and foot, rekindled the fire, slung the kettles, cut the bodies of the slain to pieces, and boiled and devoured them before the eyes of the wretched survivors. "In a word," says the narrator [that is, the Algonquin woman who escaped to tell the tale], "they ate men with as much appetite and more pleasure than hunters eat a boar or a stag ..."
    The conquerors feasted in the lodge till nearly daybreak ... then began their march homeward with their prisoners. Among these were three women, of whom the narrator was one, who had each a child of a few weeks or months old. At the first halt, their captors took the infants from them, tied them to wooden spits, placed them to die slowly before a fire, and feasted on them before the eyes of the agonized mothers, whose shrieks, supplications, and frantic efforts to break the cords that bound them were met with mockery and laughter ..
    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v17/v17n3p-7_Beary.html

    JOSHUA 5:16-27


    16 ... Joshua said unto the people, Shout; for the Lord hath given you the city.

    17 And the city shall be accursed, even it, and all that are therein, to the Lord: only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all that are with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent.

    18 And ye, in any wise keep yourselves from the accursed thing, lest ye make yourselves accursed, when ye take of the accursed thing, and make the camp of Israel a curse, and trouble it.

    19 But all the silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto the Lord: they shall come into the treasury of the Lord.

    20 So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city.

    21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ***, with the edge of the sword ...

    24 And they burnt the city with fire, and all that was therein: only the silver, and the gold, and the vessels of brass and of iron, they put into the treasury of the house of the Lord ...

    27 So the Lord was with Joshua; and his fame was noised throughout all the country.
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    The Iroquois were not operating under the influence of the Word of God, what's the Israelites excuse?
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    "On the mainland of America, the Wampanoags of Massasoit and King Philip had vanished, along with the Chesapeakes, the Chickahominys, and the Potomacs of the great Powhatan confederacy. (Only Pocahontas was remembered.) Scattered or reduced to remnants were the Pequots, Montauks, Nanticokes. Machapungas, Catawbas, Cheraws, Miamis, Hurons, Eries, Mohawks, Senecas, and Mohegans. (Only Uncas was remembered.) Their musical names remained forever fixed on the American land, but their bones were forgotten in a thousand burned villages or lost in forests fast disappearing before the axes of twenty million invaders. Already the once sweet-watered streams, most of which bore Indian names, were clouded with silt and the wastes of man; the very earth was being ravaged and squandered. To the Indians it seemed that these Europeans hated everything in nature—the living forests and their birds and beasts, the grassy glades, the water, the soil, and the air itself."

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