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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    Stupid white men on trains.
    Steve Martin and John Candy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    There's no denying that. Why is it that you won't admit the fact that the American Indian played a part in it's near extinction as well?
    Because they didn't...if you had bothered to get into more detail instead of looking for faults, you would have recognized there was a major drought around that time.

    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    BTW, the Comanche population at that time was anywhere from 7,000 to 30,000. Why was it necessary for them to kill 280,000 buffalo/bison a year?
    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Comanche-people
    You don't know much do you? Plus now you sound like a tree hugger.... there are lots of reasons for that...survival, trade, etc. It seems you have this notion these tribes only stayed within themselves....they provided food for other tribes within and without the plain Indians range. They had treaties with the white man....But this is certain, they used almost every bit of the Buffalo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    Steve Martin and John Candy?
    Oh I do miss John Candy...
    The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    There's this from 1863, but I had to go looking for it.

    Yes, I've seen that before - it uses the term "red-skin" to describe the individual, much as the native americans did and still do.

    It does NOT refer to their scalps or other body parts to be turned in for a bounty

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    Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
    There's no denying that. Why is it that you won't admit the fact that the American Indian played a part in it's near extinction as well?

    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    Because they didn't...if you had bothered to get into more detail instead of looking for faults, you would have recognized there was a major drought around that time.
    280,000 bison/buffalo killed each year by the Comanche (which doesn't include the numbers killed by the other Midwestern tribes), does sound rather excessive.

    Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
    BTW, the Comanche population at that time was anywhere from 7,000 to 30,000. Why was it necessary for them to kill 280,000 buffalo/bison a year?


    You don't know much do you? Plus now you sound like a tree hugger.... there are lots of reasons for that...survival, trade, etc. It seems you have this notion these tribes only stayed within themselves....they provided food for other tribes within and without the plain Indians range. They had treaties with the white man....But this is certain, they used almost every bit of the Buffalo.
    The things one learns on the internet. When the most barbaric tribe of all of the Indian tribes (the Comanche) weren't butchering their fellow Indians, they were playing Mother Theresa and feeding the poor.

    Regarding "they used almost every bit of the buffalo".

    This post shows differently:

    Similarly, where game was plentiful, Indians used only the choicest cuts and left the rest.
    When buffalo were herded over cliffs, tons of meat were left to rot or to be eaten by scavengers (see Baden, Stroup, and Thurman 1981).
    Samuel Hearne, a fur trader near Hudson’s Bay, recorded in his journal in the 1770s that the Chipewayan Indians would slaughter large numbers of caribou and muskox, eat only a few tongues, and leave the rest to rot.
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5352896
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    Yes, I've seen that before - it uses the term "red-skin" to describe the individual, much as the native americans did and still do.

    It does NOT refer to their scalps or other body parts to be turned in for a bounty
    No, but there certainly was the appetite for it..


    On the morning that Chivington’s raiders appeared outside the camp, Black Kettle raised the U.S. flag provided to him by Army commanders who promised to protect his band during their winter encampment.

    Neither the flag nor the promises it represented were honored by Chivington and his Colorado Volunteers. The ensuing slaughter, wrote Hampton Sides in Blood and Thunder: An Epic of the American West, “is now widely regarded as the worst atrocity committed in all the Indian wars.”At the time, however, Chivington and his men were embraced as heroes by the fine “Christian” people of Denver:

    “Chivington returned to Denver in triumph. At a theater his men paraded their war trophies before the cheering crowds: Scalps, fingers, tobacco pouches made from scrotums, purses of stretched pudenda hacked from Cheyenne women. The Denver newspapers praised the Colorado Volunteers for their glorious victory.”
    “Posterity will speak of me as the great Indian fighter,” boasted Chivington. “I have eclipsed Kit Carson.”

    Carson, who fought Indian warriors in actual military engagements before becoming thoroughly disillusioned with Manifest Destiny, had nothing but frigid contempt for “that dirty dog Chivington and his dirty hounds … up at Sand Creek.”

    “His men shot down squaws, and blew the brains out of little innocent children,” Carson complained in a letter to Army Inspector Col. James Rusling. “You call such soldiers Christians…? And Indians savages? What do you suppose our Heavenly Father, who made both them and us, thinks of these things? I tell you what, I don’t like a hostile Redskin any more than you do. And when they are hostile, I’ve fought ’em, hard as any man. But I never yet drew bead on a squaw or a papoose, and I despise the man who would. I’ve seen as much of ’em as any man livin’, and I can’t help but pity ’em, right or wrong. They once owned this country…. But now they own next door to nothing, and will soon be gone.”

    The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
    There's no denying that. Why is it that you won't admit the fact that the American Indian played a part in it's near extinction as well?



    280,000 bison/buffalo killed each year by the Comanche (which doesn't include the numbers killed by the other Midwestern tribes), does sound rather excessive.

    Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
    BTW, the Comanche population at that time was anywhere from 7,000 to 30,000. Why was it necessary for them to kill 280,000 buffalo/bison a year?




    The things one learns on the internet. When the most barbaric tribe of all of the Indian tribes (the Comanche) weren't butchering their fellow Indians, they were playing Mother Theresa and feeding the poor.

    Regarding "they used almost every bit of the buffalo".

    This post shows differently:

    Similarly, where game was plentiful, Indians used only the choicest cuts and left the rest.
    When buffalo were herded over cliffs, tons of meat were left to rot or to be eaten by scavengers (see Baden, Stroup, and Thurman 1981).
    Samuel Hearne, a fur trader near Hudson’s Bay, recorded in his journal in the 1770s that the Chipewayan Indians would slaughter large numbers of caribou and muskox, eat only a few tongues, and leave the rest to rot.
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5352896
    Yep, the things ACW learns on the internet.
    The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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    Originally Posted by annabenedetti
    Stupid white men on trains.

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    Close...though that did indeed happen....shooting buffalo from trains for sport.
    Because herding buffalo over cliffs is so much more "sporty".
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
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    Is he really this dense?
    The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    No, but there certainly was the appetite for it..

    [box]On the morning that Chivington’s raiders appeared outside the camp, Black Kettle raised the U.S. flag provided to him by Army commanders who promised to protect his band during their winter encampment.
    Please do try and stay up with the posts in this thread.

    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5352841
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
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    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    Please do try and stay up with the posts in this thread.

    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5352841
    I dont believe I was talking to you...
    The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    Is he really this dense?
    Now those are some real sportsmen.

    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
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    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    Please do try and stay up with the posts in this thread.

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    I see now....thanks for helping me out here....Chivington and his men, and the Colorado governor were absolutely correct to kill every last indian in Colorado to make up for the deaths of those innocent people...

    No doubt the right call...
    The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    I see now....thanks for helping me out here....Chivington and his men, and the Colorado governor were absolutely correct to kill every last indian in Colorado to make up for the deaths of those innocent people...

    No doubt the right call...
    One must remember that the savage Indians were murdering settlers throughout the United States and that the barbaric murder of this particular family wasn't a sole occurrence.
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    One must remember that the savage Indians were murdering settlers throughout the United States and that the barbaric murder of this particular family wasn't a sole occurrence.
    Yep, those savages.....
    The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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