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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    I was not trying to put words in your mouth, but that seemed to be where you were headed.
    Not at "all".

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    In the scripture that you ignored, it is clear that the gentiles nations are to serve Israel in the future when Christ returns to establish His kingdom.
    Yes, the nations of the Gentiles are to serve the nation of Israel.
    However, Paul was not speaking about the Gentile nations receiving the promises made to the nation Israel.
    Paul spoke of individual Gentile believers receiving specific promises made to the individuals of the children of Israel that are not cut off from the people.

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    The same kingdom where the TWELVE apostles will sit on TWELVE thrones judging the TWELVE tribes of Israel.
    Yes, that very same kingdom that Jesus is given to rule when He comes down from heaven to gather His elect.

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    Paul gets no throne.... why?
    We don't know who gets to sit on the 12th throne, whether it would be Matthias, Paul, Apollos, or someone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    Yes, the nations of the Gentiles are to serve the nation of Israel.
    However, Paul was not speaking about the Gentile nations receiving the promises made to the nation Israel.
    Paul spoke of individual Gentile believers receiving specific promises made to the individuals of the children of Israel that are not cut off from the people.
    Give us the itemized list of these promises.

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    Yes, that very same kingdom that Jesus is given to rule when He comes down from heaven to gather His elect.
    Which elect?

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    We don't know who gets to sit on the 12th throne, whether it would be Matthias, Paul, Apollos, or someone else.
    That's a ridiculous statement! Matthias replaced Judas and was counted with the eleven and that makes twelve.

    We know exactly who the twelve are!
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Give us the itemized list of these promises.
    I already did.

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    Which elect?
    The elect mentioned in the New Testament.

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    That's a ridiculous statement! Matthias replaced Judas and was counted with the eleven and that makes twelve.
    Now you are making a ridiculous statement.
    Matthias was chosen by the eleven to be part of the twelve, but was not chosen by Jesus as one of the twelve, therefore we can't know for sure whether Matthias is counted among the twelve that will rule the twelve tribes of Israel or if Jesus has chosen someone else for that role.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    I already did.
    Please point us to it or repeat it. Thanks.

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    The elect mentioned in the New Testament.
    Vague and ambigious.

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    Now you are making a ridiculous statement.
    Wrong.

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    Matthias was chosen by the eleven to be part of the twelve, but was not chosen by Jesus as one of the twelve, therefore we can't know for sure whether Matthias is counted among the twelve that will rule the twelve tribes of Israel or if Jesus has chosen someone else for that role.
    That is the ridiculous statement.

    Matthias WAS counted among the twelve. Scripture is quite clear. You are the one making a problem.

    Act 1:26 KJV And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

    NUMBERED with the eleven apostles means "counted among" them.

    Act 2:14 KJV But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

    Again "counted among" the twelve!

    All twelve were "filled with the Holy Ghost":

    Act 2:1-4 KJV And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. (2) And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. (3) And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. (4) And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Give us the itemized list of these promises.
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    The promise that God would raise us from death:

    Acts 26:6-8
    6 And now I stand and am judged for the hope of the promise made of God, unto our fathers:
    7 Unto which promise our twelve tribes, instantly serving God day and night, hope to come. For which hope's sake, king Agrippa, I am accused of the Jews.
    8 Why should it be thought a thing incredible with you, that God should raise the dead?


    And the promised kingdom.

    James 2:5
    5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?



    Acts 28:23
    23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Matthias WAS counted among the twelve. Scripture is quite clear. You are the one making a problem.

    Act 1:26 KJV And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
    Did you notice that the eleven apostles are mentioned as a specific group?

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    Act 2:14 KJV But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
    Even after Matthias was selected by lot to be the twelfth apostle, only the eleven apostles were recognized as true apostles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    And the promised kingdom.

    James 2:5
    5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

    James is NOT writing to gentiles

    Jas 1:1 KJV James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

    When James writes "my brethren" he is referring to the TWELVE tribes.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    Did you notice that the eleven apostles are mentioned as a specific group?
    Only to show that Matthias was included WITH THEM.

    It clearly says NUMBERED WITH THEM.

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    Even after Matthias was selected by lot to be the twelfth apostle, only the eleven apostles were recognized as true apostles.
    Utter nonsense, per your usual.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
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    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    James is NOT writing to gentiles
    No, but James was writing about the same Kingdom of God that Paul preached.

    Are you going to claim that Paul did not teach the kingdom of God to both the Jews and the Gentiles?

    Acts 28:23
    23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.



    Acts 19:8
    8 And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.



    Acts 14:21-22
    21 And when they had preached the gospel to that city, and had taught many, they returned again to Lystra, and to Iconium, and Antioch,
    22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.



    1 Corinthians 6:9-10
    9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
    10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Only to show that Matthias was included WITH THEM.

    It clearly says NUMBERED WITH THEM.
    But it doesn't say anywhere that God counted Matthias as one of the twelve that would rule over the twelve tribes of Israel.
    Your insistence on Matthias would be one of the rulers over the twelve tribes of Israel is foolish, where keeping an open mind about the possibility of Paul or someone else will take that place is not foolish.

    If the Bible does not explicitly state something, it is better to be open to alternatives than to insist it is the only possible answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    No, but James was writing about the same Kingdom of God that Paul preached.
    The kingdom that James as preaching as the SAME kingdom that Jesus was preaching. It's the SAME kingdom where the TWELVE apostles will sit on TWELVE thrones judging the TWELVE tribes of Israel.

    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    Are you going to claim that Paul did not teach the kingdom of God to both the Jews and the Gentiles?
    Paul was well versed to preach about all of the various kingdoms of God.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    The kingdom that James as preaching as the SAME kingdom that Jesus was preaching. It's the SAME kingdom where the TWELVE apostles will sit on TWELVE thrones judging the TWELVE tribes of Israel.
    It was also the very same kingdom that Paul preached.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    But it doesn't say anywhere that God counted Matthias as one of the twelve that would rule over the twelve tribes of Israel.
    That is simply your ridiculous BIAS preventing your from believing the truth.

    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    Your insistence on Matthias would be one of the rulers over the twelve tribes of Israel is foolish, where keeping an open mind about the possibility of Paul or someone else will take that place is not foolish.
    Rubbish... Paul is the apostle of the GENTILES and NOT one of the TWELVE apostles that will with on TWELVE thrones judging the TWELVE tribes of Israel.

    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    If the Bible does not explicitly state something, it is better to be open to alternatives than to insist it is the only possible answer.
    There is many things which the Bible does not explicitly state that are still completely true.

    Judas was chosen as one of the twelve and was REPLACED per scripture.

    Joh 6:70-71 KJV Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? (71) He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

    Judas' replacement from prophetic:

    Act 1:15-26 KJV And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,) (16) Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus. (17) For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry. (18) Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out. (19) And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood. (20) For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take. (21) Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, (22) Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection. (23) And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. (24) And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, (25) That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place. (26) And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

    All perfectly in order per God's plans. Never any indication of a problem per scripture.
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    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

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    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    It was also the very same kingdom that Paul preached.
    Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

    Paul preached the whole council of God. Something that the others did not have.
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    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Paul is the apostle of the GENTILES and NOT one of the TWELVE apostles that will with on TWELVE thrones judging the TWELVE tribes of Israel.

    Acts 18:4
    4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.


    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    and NOT one of the TWELVE apostles that will with on TWELVE thrones judging the TWELVE tribes of Israel.
    Paul was chosen to be an apostle by the will of God

    2 Corinthians 1:1
    1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:


    Matthias was chosen by men by casting lots.

    Acts 1:26
    26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

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