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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    CPS gets bad publicity in a lot of cases, usually by those who have a personal bone to pick with government agencies such as CPS.
    What is the CPS position on allowing LGBTQ couples to adopt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by User Name View Post
    What is the CPS position on allowing LGBTQ couples to adopt?




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    Quote Originally Posted by User Name View Post
    What is the CPS position on allowing LGBTQ couples to adopt?
    Now that was funny as we all know CPS allows lgbtq couples to adopt. Oh, the good that CPS does. Right, acw?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ffreeloader View Post
    Alex Jones gets more news stories right than CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNBC, NYT, Washington Post, USA Today, and the AP combined.
    Whose defending CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNBC, NYT, Washington Post, USA Today, and the AP? You forgot Fox.

    Regarding Alex Jones: Would that be the same Alex Jones that said the mass murders at Sandy Hook Elementary School was a hoax set up by the US Government and is being sued by the parents of the murdered children?

    Anyway, this is my last post to you until you answer my question in the post you responded to
    But not your last post in the thread I see.

    Again: If CPS is corrupt as the Alex Jones movement says it is, what's the alternative?
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    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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    Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
    CPS gets bad publicity in a lot of cases, usually by those who have a personal bone to pick with government agencies such as CPS.

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    What is the CPS position on allowing LGBTQ couples to adopt?
    Excellent question. As I've shown in my 5 part thread on the dire need to recriminalize homosexuality, homosexuals do disproportionately molest children, especially little boys, so it would be interesting to look into cases where CPS responded to child rape allegations against homosexual couples that had children in their custody.

    I do recall the case of two lesbians here in WA State that murdered their 6 adopted children were being investigated for child abuse.

    I'll do some more research on that and get back to you.

    Thanks for bringing that up!
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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    The American Homeless Problem could be used by the Left - the Socialists, Transformational Marxists and Communists - as a means of placing more people under the influence of the Leftist Welfare System, and as a means of advancing the goals of the Left. Child Protective Services would be the local agency which is there to provide services to help the homeless. But many of the homeless become so downtrodden, smelly and obnoxious to the middle class "educated" Child Protective Services social workers, that fewer of them are actually helped by CPS

    But it is not that the American Left has not understood and tried to make use of the welfare system to achieve some of the goals of the Left.

    See: https://www.zerohedge.com/…/cloward-...eing-us…

    "In the mid-sixties at the height of the “social revolution” the line between democratic benevolence and outright communism became rather blurry. The Democratic Party, which controlled the presidency and both houses of Congress, was used as the springboard by social engineers to introduce a new era of welfare initiatives enacted in the name of “defending the poor”, also known as the “Great Society Programs”. These initiatives, however, were driven by far more subversive and extreme motivations, and have been expanded on by every presidency since, Republican and Democrat alike.

    At Columbia University, sociologist professors Richard Cloward and Francis Fox Piven introduced a political strategy in 1966 in an article entitled 'The Weight Of The Poor: A Strategy To End Poverty'. This article outlined a plan that they believed would eventually lead to the total transmutation of America into a full-fledged centralized welfare state (in other words, a collectivist enclave). The spearpoint of the Cloward-Piven strategy involved nothing less than economic sabotage against the U.S.

    Theoretically, according to the doctrine, a condition of overwhelming tension and strain could be engineered through the overloading of American welfare rolls, thereby smothering the entitlement program structure at the state and local level. The implosion of welfare benefits would facilitate a massive spike in poverty and desperation, creating a financial crisis that would lead to an even greater cycle of demand for a fully socialized system. This desperation would then “force” the federal government to concentrate all welfare programs under one roof, nationalize and enforce a socialist ideology, and ultimately, compact an immense level of power into the hands of a select few.

    Cloward and Piven claimed that this could be accomplished at a grassroots level through community activism."

    I would not be surprised if the Cloward-Piven Strategy for getting more people into the Welfare System to achieve Leftist goals is not taught in the university classes for the training of social workers.

    "In the past decade alone, the number of people dependent on food stamps and EBT for their survival in the U.S. has doubled from 25 million people to nearly 50 million people. Those who receive some kind of payment from the government, including those on social security, disability, and veterans benefits, are approximately 100 million. Americans on social security do not consider themselves welfare recipients because they paid into the system, however, the point remains that if the federal money tap shuts down due to overwhelming participation, the checks will stop whether you paid into the system or not."

    The statement above is from: https://www.zerohedge.com/…/cloward-...eing-us…

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    Quote Originally Posted by northwye View Post
    ...Child Protective Services would be the local agency which is there to provide services to help the homeless.
    As shown in previous posts, the CPS is a State run agency that investigates cases of reported child abuse. While many of "the homeless" do have children who are put in harms way because of their parent(s) lifestyle, CPS is called to investigate those cases, not to supply them with a welfare check.

    Regarding the rest of your post: The two links that you provided to the libertarian/alt-right leaning zerohedge group didn't connect, but if you would like to discuss why there are so many "homeless" out there, I'll gladly talk about the substance abuse problems that overwhelmingly afflict those that are called "homeless" and how contrary to what the libertarian movement says: Recreational drug use and alcoholism are not a "victimless crime".
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    I've seen the horror stories from the thread ffreeloader started and a couple in this thread that he and drbrumley posted.

    Please back up those allegations with something other than the equivalent to an Alex Jones Infowars/Lew Rockwell-government hating website, like official documentation (police records, etc.) from the respective State that these alleged CPS atrocities occurred in.
    You are trolling.

    Do your own research.

    You can start here:


    Abuse in Foster Care: Research vs. the Child Welfare System’s Alternative Facts

    To help ensure that no one takes a close look at wrongful removal and how it endangers children, Rickman offers up her alternative facts.

    She didn’t make up the 99.7 percent figure out of whole cloth — not exactly. Rather these are the official results when DHS investigates allegations of abuse in foster care — in other words, when DHS investigates itself. Other states get similar results when their child welfare agencies investigate themselves — and their child welfare officials make similar claims.

    To see the extent to which DHS buries its head in the sand about abuse in foster and adoptive homes, consider the most recent case: There were 68 reports; an older sibling even posted video of the abuse on Facebook and gave it to authorities. But no one responded until the older sibling gave the videos to a newspaper.

    That might help explain the 99.7 percent figure.

    But compare those figures to studies done by independent researchers. In some cases, they went back and pored over case records. In other cases they really did ask former foster children what happened to them.

    Here’s what they found:

    • A study of foster children in Oregon and Washington state found that nearly one third reported being abused by a foster parent or another adult in a foster home. That study didn’t even include cases of foster children abusing each other.
    • In a study of investigations of alleged abuse in New Jersey foster homes, the researchers found a lack of “anything approaching reasonable professional judgment” and concluded that “no assurances can be given” that any New Jersey foster child is safe.
    • A study of cases in metropolitan Atlanta found that among children whose case goal was adoption, 34 percent had experienced abuse, neglect or other harmful conditions. For those children who had recently entered the system, 15 percent had experienced abuse, neglect or other harmful conditions in just one year.


    So is it any wonder that even Marcia Lowry, former executive director of the group that calls itself Children’s Rights and no friend of family preservation, says:

    “I’ve been doing this work for a long time and represented thousands and thousands of foster children, both in class-action lawsuits and individually, and I have almost never seen a child, boy or girl, who has been in foster care for any length of time who has not been sexually abused in some way, whether it is child-on-child or not.”

    This does not mean that all, or even many, foster parents are abusive. The majority do the best they can for the children in their care — like the overwhelming majority of parents, period. But the abusive minority is large enough to cause serious concern — or at least it should.

    When the Arizona Republic found that its own reporting was turning up far more abuse in foster care than the state was letting on, they took a closer look. They found:

    “Both in Arizona and nationally, there is a huge disconnect. In 2014, of 46 states that reported data to the federal Children’s Bureau, all claimed that fewer than 2 percent of children in foster care had been harmed in the prior year. Arizona said that barely a tenth of 1 percent of children in care were verifiably harmed.

    “But in surveys going back for decades, from 25 percent to as high as 40 percent of former foster children report having been abused or neglected in care.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    This is how debate works: You say "CPS bad!", then you back it up with legitimate documentation. Start with the respective State's Attorney General's Office, they'll have documentation on these allegations.
    It won't do any good to rely upon the numbers CSP claims, since they always claim less than 2% of children in foster care are abused when it is really 33% or more children in foster care that are abused by foster care providers.


    Abuse in Foster Care: Research vs. the Child Welfare System’s Alternative Facts

    She didn’t make up the 99.7 percent figure out of whole cloth — not exactly. Rather these are the official results when DHS investigates allegations of abuse in foster care — in other words, when DHS investigates itself. Other states get similar results when their child welfare agencies investigate themselves — and their child welfare officials make similar claims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    You are trolling.

    Do your own research.

    You can start here:

    [INDENT][BOX]Abuse in Foster Care: Research vs. the Child Welfare System’s Alternative Facts
    Thank you for showing that there is a problem with children being taken from an already physically and mentally abusive home environment and sometimes placed in the custody of people who do the same through the foster care programs.

    Again: I haven't seen any solutions to the problem by all that have posted in this thread. I say that society needs to squash out the libertarian thought process of being able to do with one's body as he or she pleases and embrace Christian values once again, thus building strong and healthy homes and once again making the traditional family the nucleus of society.
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    Thank you for showing that there is a problem with children being taken from an already physically and mentally abusive home environment and sometimes placed in the custody of people who do the same through the foster care programs.
    You seem to have misspelled "non" as "physically and mentally" somehow.

    The problem is that children are being taken from non-abusive home environments on nothing more than an unsupported allegation and are being placed in the custody of people that abuse them under the cover of the foster care programs.

    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    Again: I haven't seen any solutions to the problem
    Since the problem is being caused by CPS taking children away from people based on nothing more than unsupported allegations, the solution is to use DUE PROCESS to determine the guilt of the parents BEFORE removing the children.
    Also, there should be more effort taken in finding relatives of the parents and named god parents to take in the children if the parents are arrested than in putting the children in the care of strangers.

    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    I say that society needs to squash out the libertarian thought process of being able to do with one's body as he or she pleases and embrace Christian values once again, thus building strong and healthy homes and once again making the traditional family the nucleus of society.
    I have no problem with most of that, but your belief that taking children away from those same traditional families on the say-so of busybodies and gossips is more important than keeping the families together until due process has determined the innocence of the parents.
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    "Is The Cloward-Piven Strategy Being Used To Destroy America?"

    "In 1966 Richard Cloward and Francis Fox Piven, Columbia university professors introduced a political strategy in in an article entitled ‘The Weight Of The Poor: A Strategy To End Poverty’.

    The article outlined a strategy to overload the system and create so much poverty that the United States would become a social-welfare state with economic and political power concentrated at the top with far fewer freedoms than we enjoy today/

    According to Brandon Smith, writing at Zero Hedge, the Cloward-Piven strategy involves nothing less than economic sabotage against the U.S."

    "Theoretically, according to the doctrine, a condition of overwhelming tension and strain could be engineered through the overloading of American welfare rolls, thereby smothering the entitlement program structure at the state and local level. The implosion of welfare benefits would facilitate a massive spike in poverty and desperation, creating a financial crisis that would lead to an even greater cycle of demand for a fully socialized system. This desperation would then “force” the federal government to concentrate all welfare programs under one roof, nationalize and enforce a socialist ideology, and ultimately, compact an immense level of power into the hands of a select few.

    Cloward and Piven claimed that this could be accomplished at a grassroots level through community activism"

    "In the past decade alone, the number of people dependent on food stamps and EBT for their survival in the U.S. has doubled from 25 million people to nearly 50 million people. Those who receive some kind of payment from the government, including those on social security, disability, and veterans benefits, are approximately 100 million. Americans on social security do not consider themselves welfare recipients because they paid into the system, however, the point remains that if the federal money tap shuts down due to overwhelming participation, the checks will stop whether you paid into the system or not."

    The same local agency - at the county level - in my state runs the Foster Care program and programs to assist adults whose income is below a poverty level, such as Food Stamps.

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    "Is The Cloward-Piven Strategy Being Used To Destroy America?"

    "In 1966 Richard Cloward and Francis Fox Piven, Columbia university professors introduced a political strategy in in an article entitled ‘The Weight Of The Poor: A Strategy To End Poverty’.

    The article outlined a strategy to overload the system and create so much poverty that the United States would become a social-welfare state with economic and political power concentrated at the top with far fewer freedoms than we enjoy today/

    According to Brandon Smith, writing at Zero Hedge, the Cloward-Piven strategy involves nothing less than economic sabotage against the U.S."

    "Theoretically, according to the doctrine, a condition of overwhelming tension and strain could be engineered through the overloading of American welfare rolls, thereby smothering the entitlement program structure at the state and local level. The implosion of welfare benefits would facilitate a massive spike in poverty and desperation, creating a financial crisis that would lead to an even greater cycle of demand for a fully socialized system. This desperation would then “force” the federal government to concentrate all welfare programs under one roof, nationalize and enforce a socialist ideology, and ultimately, compact an immense level of power into the hands of a select few.

    Cloward and Piven claimed that this could be accomplished at a grassroots level through community activism"

    "In the past decade alone, the number of people dependent on food stamps and EBT for their survival in the U.S. has doubled from 25 million people to nearly 50 million people. Those who receive some kind of payment from the government, including those on social security, disability, and veterans benefits, are approximately 100 million. Americans on social security do not consider themselves welfare recipients because they paid into the system, however, the point remains that if the federal money tap shuts down due to overwhelming participation, the checks will stop whether you paid into the system or not."

    The same local agency - at the county level - in my state runs the Foster Care program and programs to assist adults whose income is below a poverty level, such as Food Stamps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by northwye View Post
    https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/i...estroy-america

    "Is The Cloward-Piven Strategy Being Used To Destroy America?"

    "In 1966 Richard Cloward and Francis Fox Piven, Columbia university professors introduced a political strategy in in an article entitled ‘The Weight Of The Poor: A Strategy To End Poverty’.

    The article outlined a strategy to overload the system and create so much poverty that the United States would become a social-welfare state with economic and political power concentrated at the top with far fewer freedoms than we enjoy today/

    According to Brandon Smith, writing at Zero Hedge, the Cloward-Piven strategy involves nothing less than economic sabotage against the U.S."

    "Theoretically, according to the doctrine, a condition of overwhelming tension and strain could be engineered through the overloading of American welfare rolls, thereby smothering the entitlement program structure at the state and local level. The implosion of welfare benefits would facilitate a massive spike in poverty and desperation, creating a financial crisis that would lead to an even greater cycle of demand for a fully socialized system. This desperation would then “force” the federal government to concentrate all welfare programs under one roof, nationalize and enforce a socialist ideology, and ultimately, compact an immense level of power into the hands of a select few.

    Cloward and Piven claimed that this could be accomplished at a grassroots level through community activism"
    And Obama was a well known "Community Activist"

    OBAMA, Barack
    Obama entered local politics through his work as a community activist in a blighted South Side Chicago neighborhood.

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    Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
    Thank you for showing that there is a problem with children being taken from an already physically and mentally abusive home environment and sometimes placed in the custody of people who do the same through the foster care programs.

    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    You seem to have misspelled "non" as "physically and mentally" somehow.

    The problem is that children are being taken from non-abusive home environments on nothing more than an unsupported allegation and are being placed in the custody of people that abuse them under the cover of the foster care programs.
    Again, please supply documentation (police reports, etc.) on a case by case basis other than hearsay from various libertarian websites.



    Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
    Again: I haven't seen any solutions to the problem

    Since the problem is being caused by CPS taking children away from people based on nothing more than unsupported allegations,
    Signs of physical abuse, testimonies of witnesses (family members, doctors, teachers, neighbors, etc) is pretty strong evidence.

    the solution is to use DUE PROCESS to determine the guilt of the parents BEFORE removing the children.
    As I'd shown in an earlier link to the WA State Child, Youth and Families website, due process is used.
    https://www.dcyf.wa.gov/services/chi...stem/who-court

    Now if you're saying that a child should be kept in the custody of his or her parent(s)/guardian until their court hearing in 3 or 4 weeks, that's putting the child in extreme danger by leaving them in the custody of abusive parent(s)/guardian.


    Also, there should be more effort taken in finding relatives of the parents and named god parents to take in the children if the parents are arrested than in putting the children in the care of strangers.
    Do you have documentation showing that the relatives of the abused child aren't looked at as temporary guardians? Also keep in mind that there very well could be a danger factor for the abused child if the relatives are not trustworthy and don't keep the child safe from the abusive parents.


    Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
    I say that society needs to squash out the libertarian thought process of being able to do with one's body as he or she pleases and embrace Christian values once again, thus building strong and healthy homes and once again making the traditional family the nucleus of society.

    I have no problem with most of that, but your belief that taking children away from those same traditional families on the say-so of busybodies and gossips is more important than keeping the families together until due process has determined the innocence of the parents
    With all of the cohabitation going on in the country (baby-daddies who aren't married to the mother of their child/ren and don't have any intention of marrying her, and thus flees the coup at the first sign of discord) the term "traditional family" isn't comprehended by most.
    As far as busybodies and gossips being responsible for taking the child away from abusive parent(s) or guardian: Obviously you have no idea how thorough of an investigation CPS does before removing a child from a home.

    Here's an example from the State of Michigan:

    Children's Protective Services Investigation Process
    Investigation
    CPS has 30 days to complete an investigation unless extenuating circumstances require an extension. A CPS investigation must begin within 24 hours and usually includes:
    Face-to-face interviews with the alleged child victim(s), the child's caretaker(s), the alleged perpetrator(s).
    Viewing the family's home.
    Reviewing any necessary documents, such as police reports, criminal history, medical reports, school reports, CPS case file, etc.
    Interviewing neighbors, friends, relatives or professionals that have had contact with the family.
    An assessment of the child's safety.
    An assessment of the child's future risk of abuse and/or neglect.
    An assessment of the family's needs and strengths.
    CPS investigator considers the following factors during the investigation:
    Are there alternative explanations to the allegations?
    What are the family dynamics and family circumstances?
    Who is making the complaint?
    Is there corroborating evidence? (For example, witness statements, findings during a home visit, etc.)
    Should there be a medical exam of the child?
    Does the child have an injury? If so:
    What is the explanation of the injury?
    Is that explanation feasible?
    Where is the injury located?
    Is there more than one injury at different stages of healing?
    What is the condition of the home? (For example, cleanliness, safety hazards, etc.)
    What is the condition of the child? (For example, appropriately dressed, cleanliness, etc.)
    Are the child's basic needs being met?
    Is there adequate supervision?
    Are the caretakers emotionally/mentally abusing the child?
    Read more: https://www.michigan.gov/mdhhs/0,588...9484--,00.html
    Last edited by aCultureWarrior; September 4th, 2019 at 07:32 PM.
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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