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    Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
    While I could provide vast amounts of documentation showing that the homosexual movement is into sex trafficking (because raping little children is what homosexuals do best), I just don't know how 50+ different State law enforcement agencies could conspire together do such a thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    It is possible that CPS agencies in the 50+ states are staffed mostly with people like you that think they are better than others and know better than parents how children should be raised.
    They're professionals who are investigating child abuse allegations. As we've learned from my previous posts, their #1 goal (if at all feasible) is to return the child to his or her family if there was cause to temporarily remove them from what was upon investigation, an unsafe environment.
    These people would put blinders on themselves to prevent them from seeing that kidnapping children and putting them in foster homes is putting most of those children into places where they will be abused much more than they would have if left with their parents, and that the mere act of taking the children away from their parents and siblings and forcing them to live with strangers does a lot of damage to the children's mental health.

    The sex traffickers would not need to infiltrate the CPS agencies in large numbers as long as they have a way to get the data about which children are taken and where those children are placed.
    That would enable them to create a menu of the "catch of the day" to provide for their buyers.
    That's quite a conspiracy theory, thank you for sharing it.

    We haven't discussed the criteria for being a foster parent, so now would be as good of time as any.

    From the State of Texas:

    The prospective foster/adoptive parents may be single or married and must:
    be at least 21 years of age, financially stable, and responsible mature adults,
    complete an application (staff will assist you, if you prefer),
    share information regarding their background and lifestyle,
    provide relative and non-relative references,
    show proof of marriage and/or divorce (if applicable),
    agree to a home study which includes visits with all household members,
    allow staff to complete a criminal history background check and an abuse/neglect check on all adults in the household, and
    attend free training to learn about issues of abused and neglected children.
    https://www.dfps.state.tx.us/Adoptio...quirements.asp

    There's much more on that website, but I thought that would be a good starting point for discussion.
    Last edited by aCultureWarrior; September 12th, 2019 at 06:48 PM.
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    One would think with all of those outside activities, Nathan would have used the restroom there and not needed to do it in his cell bedroom.
    Your presuppositions are disconnected from reality.
    Nathan urinated in his bedroom, by his own choice, despite having other options available.
    You try to claim that Nathan had no other option because you are trying to make it seem like Nathan was being abused.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    They're professionals who are investigating child abuse allegations. As we've learned from my previous posts, their #1 goal (if at all feasible) is to return the child to his or her family if there was cause to temporarily remove them from what was upon investigation, an unsafe environment.
    Your delusion about the #1 goal does not match up with reality.
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    Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
    One would think with all of those outside activities, Nathan would have used the restroom there and not needed to do it in his cell bedroom.

    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    Your presuppositions are disconnected from reality.
    Nathan urinated in his bedroom, by his own choice, despite having other options available.
    I suppose when a mentally ill person is locked in what is supposed to be a bedroom and there is no toilet inside, by that person's own choice they would empty their bladder when they needed to.

    You try to claim that Nathan had no other option because you are trying to make it seem like Nathan was being abused.
    I link reports/articles for a reason, I do wish you would read them. Here is the link again from my earlier post, from the Orange County Register:

    The saga began when the Tseglins lost the services of the company providing Nate Tseglin’s 24/7 in-home caretakers. The firm had more than $100,000 in workers’ compensation claims in one year resulting from his “outbursts,” according to a letter filed in June in an Orange County court.
    To satisfy a mandate in their conservatorship agreement, the Tseglins directly hired untrained, inexperienced workers. At least two of them were so shocked and appalled at Nate Tseglin’s condition and his living space that they filed complaints with law enforcement and county health officials. That’s why police and county health officials conducted a welfare check on him in June and later removed him.
    One caretaker told police that he had been “booked” through Orange County Jail, and the conditions there were better than Tseglin’s, according to the police report.

    https://www.ocregister.com/2012/11/1...tic-sons-care/

    Again, my heart goes out to parents with autistic children, as I can't imagine the pain that they go through trying to do what's best for their child. As mentioned before, sometimes it takes people from outside the family to help those parents realize that professional help is needed.

    Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
    They're professionals who are investigating child abuse allegations. As we've learned from my previous posts, their #1 goal (if at all feasible) is to return the child to his or her family if there was cause to temporarily remove them from what was upon investigation, an unsafe environment.

    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    Your delusion about the #1 goal does not match up with reality.
    It would be interesting to see the records from the child protection agencies of the 50+ States to see what percent of abused children are returned to their parent(s) or guardian after the parent(s)/guardian go through counseling to help them overcome their 'lifestyle' that brought on the CPS actions (drug abuse, alcoholism, pornography/sexual abuse of the child, etc.). It would also be interesting (more like heartbreaking) to see how many children are removed from that environment a second time because the parent(s)/guardian give into old habits.

    Unfortunately in this day and age of Libertarian mentality ("It' MY body and I can do with it as I please!") I'm speculating that the child loses out to the selfishness and destruction that the Libertarian mentality brings.
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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    I see you still won't give up your delusion that Nate Tseglin's parents are horrible people that abuse their son.
    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    Here is the link again from my earlier post, from the Orange County Register:

    [I]The saga began when the Tseglins lost the services of the company providing Nate Tseglin’s 24/7 in-home caretakers. The firm had more than $100,000 in workers’ compensation claims in one year resulting from his “outbursts,” according to a letter filed in June in an Orange County court.
    https://www.ocregister.com/2012/11/1...tic-sons-care/
    It looks like professional caretakers were not able to handle things, so CPS blamed the parents and kidnapped their child.

    So, now that Nate Tseglin is in the hands of the government who strap him down, lock him in his room, drug him senseless, and let him urinate all over himself, he is safe from the parents who are alleged (unproven) to strap him down, lock him in his room, and let him urinate all over himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    I see you still won't give up your delusion that Nate Tseglin's parents are horrible people that abuse their son.
    Was it this quote that gave me away?

    Quote: Originally posted by aCulturewarrior
    Again, my heart goes out to parents with autistic children, as I can't imagine the pain that they go through trying to do what's best for their child. As mentioned before, sometimes it takes people from outside the family to help those parents realize that professional help is needed.


    It looks like professional caretakers were not able to handle things, so CPS blamed the parents and kidnapped their child.
    Except that professional caretakers were called in because of the visible harm that Nathan was doing to himself, and after visiting his living quarters, the discovery that he was living in inhumane conditions.

    So, now that Nate Tseglin is in the hands of the government who strap him down, lock him in his room, drug him senseless, and let him urinate all over himself, he is safe from the parents who are alleged (unproven) to strap him down, lock him in his room, and let him urinate all over himself.
    There's only one problem with that allegation: As shown in a recent post:

    At least two of them [caretakers] were so shocked and appalled at Nate Tseglin’s condition and his living space that they filed complaints with law enforcement and county health officials. That’s why police and county health officials conducted a welfare check on him in June and later removed him.
    One caretaker told police that he had been “booked” through Orange County Jail, and the conditions there were better than Tseglin’s, according to the police report.


    Where's Nathan Tseglin now? Do you know, do you even care? The last I read of the case was 7 or 8 years ago.

    Of course once the smear campaign against a State agency whose sole purpose is to help those who are unable to help themselves is made, is there anything else to do but to move on to the next smear campaign?

    Which btw, I am having fun looking at these cases and dissecting them to show what really happened in the case, and will do so with other cases like Nathan's.
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    I am having fun looking at these cases
    Yes, you are having fun looking at the ways CPS demonizes parents in order to justify kidnapping the children.
    You are refusing to look at all the harm that occurs to the children that are taken away from their parents and put into foster homes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    Yes, you are having fun looking at the ways CPS demonizes parents in order to justify kidnapping the children.
    You are refusing to look at all the harm that occurs to the children that are taken away from their parents and put into foster homes.
    By no means is it "fun" for me to read about how those with the "me me me!" Libertarian mentality lead their lives and hence end up abusing their children, but I do enjoying investigating the mistruths perpetuated by the anti government/anarchist movement and presenting them for others to read.

    BTW, freeloader mentioned in another post how I "love government". What's not to love about one of God's institutions that He created for the governance of man? I love God's two other institutions that He created for the governance of man (the family and the Church), why shouldn't I love civil government as well? What I don't love about it is that people aren't responsible and embrace the "It's MY body and I can do with it as I please!" mentality and hence arises the need for more government.
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    By no means is it "fun" for me to read about how those with the "me me me!" Libertarian mentality lead their lives and hence end up abusing their children, but I do enjoying investigating the mistruths perpetuated by the anti government/anarchist movement and presenting them for others to read.
    Just as it is not fun for me to read about how those with a Fascist mentality that think children are the property of the government and support taking away healthy normal children from parents for spurious reasons and putting them in an environment that is much more harmful to the child's mental and physical health: foster care.


    The "Safety" of Foster Care
    Once placed in foster care, a child is not always guaranteed to be safe from abuse. In fact, Liftingtheveil.org cites a troubling statistic from one study, claiming that over 28% of children in New York alone are abused while in "the system." However, former foster children I've worked with believe that the incidents of in-foster-care abuse are much higher. Amy (name altered), an adult client who spent over seven years in the foster care system, told me that roughly nine out of ten fellow foster children she crossed paths with claimed that they had been abused by their foster parents.

    She also expressed that foster children are often taught by their circumstances not to speak up and are conditioned to think abuse is "normal." Additionally, Amy felt that it was not in their best interests to report abuse and risk being relocated, where they might be subject to yet more "unknown" abuse... and also have to endure another drastic change. She explained, "A foster child is already taught that you don't speak up. It's dangerous. And don't forget that mom/dad already gave you up, so best to shut your mouth, or you could end up moving again." While it seems like further studies of foster parent abuse are needed to gain more accurate statistics, the bottom line is that abuse happens too often.

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    More government AND a system that enables the exploitation of children?

    What's not to like?


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    "Is The Cloward-Piven Strategy Being Used To Destroy America?"

    "Theoretically, according to the doctrine, a condition of overwhelming tension and strain could be engineered through the overloading of American welfare rolls, thereby smothering the entitlement program structure at the state and local level. The implosion of welfare benefits would facilitate a massive spike in poverty and desperation, creating a financial crisis that would lead to an even greater cycle of demand for a fully socialized system. This desperation would then “force” the federal government to concentrate all welfare programs under one roof, nationalize and enforce a socialist ideology, and ultimately, compact an immense level of power into the hands of a select few."

    What is called "Child Protective Services" is usually the same local or county level agency of the states which handles welfare benefits given to poor adults.

    If Leftist Social Workers have been taught by the Cloward-Piven Strategy to try to increase the number of people on welfare, in order to create a socialist or Marxist system, with greater control over the masses of poor, then we might expect the social workers to try to place more and more children under their system of foster care. By selecting the couples or single people they allow to provide foster care and by other means, the Child Protective Services would move the state run and funded system more toward a totalitarian model.

    "In the past decade alone, the number of people dependent on food stamps and EBT for their survival in the U.S. has doubled from 25 million people to nearly 50 million people. Those who receive some kind of payment from the government, including those on social security, disability, and veterans benefits, are approximately 100 million."

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    Growing Abuse of Parents’ Rights

    His nightmare began when a Mississippi social worker, Kyra Reed (who also goes by Kyra Carson), knocked on his (Michael Chambers] door demanding entrance without a warrant.
    Looking at this case, there's not a lot of information available other than like so many other cases in the US, it was in essence a custody battle where the estranged wife was constantly calling CPS reporting that the daughter was endangered while in the custody of her father Michael Chambers. As mentioned several times throughout this thread, CPS by law has to investigate all reports they receive.

    One thing that did catch my eye in this article belittling CPS was that Michael Chambers worked four jobs to feed and clothe his young daughter.
    http://crazzfiles.com/american-child...rder-children/

    Four jobs? When did the father have time to be with the little girl if he was working four jobs?

    A person also has to question the character of a father that was accused of the following:

    On his first court date, CPS claimed [i.e. a Child Protective Services investigator, under oath stated] that he had gone to Belle’s school and caused a scene, screaming, “I love Hitler!”
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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    Quote Originally Posted by northwye View Post
    …."Theoretically,...

    What is called "Child Protective Services" is usually the same local or county level agency of the states which handles welfare benefits given to poor adults.
    Do you have any evidence to back this allegation up or is it just a theory?
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    Just as it is not fun for me to read about how those with a Fascist mentality that think children are the property of the government and support taking away healthy normal children from parents for spurious reasons and putting them in an environment that is much more harmful to the child's mental and physical health: foster care.
    Do you mean "healthy normal children" like Nathan Tseglin?

    BTW, where is Nathan Tseglin now?
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    One thing that did catch my eye in this article belittling CPS was that Michael Chambers worked four jobs to feed and clothe his young daughter.
    http://crazzfiles.com/american-child...rder-children/

    Four jobs? When did the father have time to be with the little girl if he was working four jobs?
    The crazies believe a father or a mother working multiple jobs to feed and clothe their children is grounds for taking the children away from their parents.
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