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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusha View Post
    It’s not outrageous that I care about the health and welfare of all.
    Why don't you tell us exactly what (if anything) you imagine you mean when you say that you "care about the health and welfare of all". All what? All people? Does your "all", here, include those whom you would enviously call "rich"? When you say, "I care about the health and welfare of all", do you mean "I care about the health and welfare of all, whether poor or rich--whether the poorest of the poor, or the richest of the rich"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horn View Post
    Bernie isn't offering "free stuff ".
    Oh? But, he is offering you stuff, no? So, he's offering to sell stuff to you? And, what does he own that he is offering to sell to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    Bernie's too shrewd a political operator to state it clearly, but he's a proponent of a guaranteed minimum income
    Define that? or at least quantify it, what is the minimum income & who decides what that is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusha View Post
    Certainly. It could start with utilizing the money allocated for *the wall*, firing every employee associated with border security and reversing the Trump-Tax give away for the 1%.

    There is nothing obscene about wanting ALL individuals to have quality healthcare. I am not going to bash Bernie or any other candidate for actually caring about the health and welfare for ALL.
    Define that? What is the Health & Welfare of all? Do the "all" have to pay for it? or do the rest of us working class slobs have to tow their load as well. I work very hard for everything I have and I don't feel even a little bit responsible for the "Health & Welfare" of others when they are able bodied & refuse to help themselves. I reject paying more for anything so another get something for free especially if they are in my country illegally... I'll spring for a bag lunch & a ride home...wherever that is for them. At some point a person is responsible for the "Health & Welfare" of themselves if they are physically able. The only people I am willing to support are those that are disabled or elderly...if you are able to work, than do so...like the rest of us that were never handed anything, why should they be any different? Your fellow citizens whether rich, middle-class or working poor owe you nothing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    So you're a proponent of open borders

    figures
    You sound surprised...from the sounds of it she is another American with their hand out expecting their fellow citizens to fill it....sadly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rocketman View Post
    You sound surprised...
    Hardly.

    from the sounds of it she is another American with their hand out expecting their fellow citizens to fill it....sadly.
    Indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horn View Post
    Bernie isn't offering "free stuff ".
    False! That is all he is offering is pseudo free stuff, trick is nothing is free. Just ask the Russian people when they were promised all that free healthcare, college, food, a job with a living wage way back in 1936 when the Communist Constitution was signed... I urge you to read it...Yes, they too like many socialists of the last century were duped by the lure of "Free Stuff", and punishing "The Rich". Didn't work so well for them or any other failed socialist states, in return you give up your freedom, your rights, and more than likely like the roughly 100 million that suffered under communist/socialist rule in the past century...DIED, Murdered! You really should read up on this subject because you & people like you are desperately ignorant to what socialism has in store for you after you cede all your rights & liberty to the state, and that is exactly what Bernie Sanders is proposing, a state takeover. Read Up! it is enlightening to see that socialism in any form has never worked anywhere it has been tried...anywhwere!

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    If our government handled its financial priorities the right way , we COULD provide good and universal health care , make college affordable etc . We could create millions of jobs in all fields and rebuild our crumbling infrastructure etc .
    But it doesn't. It wastes much too much money on our military and other things, the rich pay far too little in taxes, and churches don't pa taxes at all .
    The money to make life affordable of rAmerica IS there, but it's not being used for the right things . Every year our government wastes billions of dollars on completely unnecessary military expenditures . So whenever you vote Republican, you are voting agains your own interests .
    See now there ya go...You ignorantly think the mandate of the government...meaning the people of this country... is to take care of you. Well I hate to break this to you but, the constitution nor the bill of right extends you a right to anothers property because you have little or none. That is on you, the billions of dollars spent on military is mandated in the constitution, government's first job is security of it's people & it's interests. Governments job is to also promote commerce, promote & ensure equality through the rule of law, you really have a selfish sense of entitlement...maybe you need to get a job, start a business, or something that fulfills this envy of other people's possessions you exude. Nobody owes you anything... that means nothing, zero, zip, nada! Quit whining and go make something of yourself.
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    I'm sure Bernie would grab funds from Social Security, Medicaid, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cntrysner View Post
    I'm sure Bernie would grab funds from Social Security, Medicaid, etc.
    Indeed, he is a liar and a thief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Indeed, he is a liar and a thief.
    True on both counts.

    Total government and state assistance payouts, private insurance with co-pays and deductibles and pharmaceuticals,etc,ect could be well above $5 trillion per year.

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    If Trump and the Republicans get their way , forget being able to afford the cost of living unless you are rich or well off enough . Forget going to college unless you happen to have rich parents. Forget being able to get health care unless you are rich .
    Forget getting help from the government for anything . Kiss your social security , medicare, food stamps , etc goodbye . Forget getting any help if you are a poor pregnant woman and want to provide for that child once born or nay children you may already have .
    Forget about a safe,legal abortion . You will be forced to go to a dangerous, unsanitary back-aley abortionist and you will risk your life and health . Or if your are too poor to afford and illegal abortion, you will try to self abort with makeshift devices such as coat hangers etc and your chances of survival will be slim . The government isn't going to provide any help for you to support that child .
    If you have a pre-existing condition, forget getting health care . Forget health care period unless you are rich .
    And if you give the baby up for adoption, it may never be adopted and go from foster home to foster home , risking abuse and neglect .
    If you are a child and your parents are unable to provide good nutrition for you , forget getting one good meal at lunch in school . Such programs will be abolished .
    It wont be pretty, I guarantee you ,whether you are male, female , straight or gay, young or old , white, black or brown unless you already happen to be rich .

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horn View Post
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    Quit spamming the thread with your personal drivel and explain where Bernie's $30-40 TRILLION DOLLARS over 10 years will come from?

    Remember that is JUST for his "health care for all" plan and does NOT include the numerous other freebies that he is also promising (out of someone else's pockets, of course).
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horn View Post
    If Trump and the Republicans get their way,
    What makes you think that it would be any better for the Dumbocrats to have their way?

    forget being able to afford the cost of living unless you are rich or well off enough.
    Make the government smaller, and the cost of living will decrease as private industry takes over.

    Forget going to college unless you happen to have rich parents.
    This is caused by the government having its fingers in public education.

    Remove the government from the schools, and the price of tuition will go down.

    Oh, and that goes for both (all?) parties.

    Forget being able to get health care unless you are rich.
    Get the government out of medicine, and prices will fall.

    Forget getting help from the government for anything.
    The government shouldn't be helping anyone with anything, except to provide criminal justice and infrastructure.

    Kiss your social security, medicare, food stamps , etc goodbye.
    Sorry, but unfortunately, having either party elected won't make this stuff go away.

    Which is a bad thing, by the way, not a good thing.

    Forget getting any help if you are a poor pregnant woman and want to provide for that child once born or nay children you may already have.
    The solution to this? It's not food stamps or welfare checks.

    The woman should find a husband to provide for her and her child(ren).

    Forget about a safe,legal abortion.
    There's no such thing.

    In every abortion, AT LEAST ONE patient is murdered.

    You will be forced to go to a dangerous, unsanitary back-aley abortionist and you will risk your life and health.
    Because having an abortion isn't inherently a risk to the life or health of at least one of the patients?

    Or if your are too poor to afford and illegal abortion, you will try to self abort with makeshift devices such as coat hangers etc and your chances of survival will be slim.
    You make it seem like it's completely natural for a woman to want to kill her child.

    Newsflash: It's not.

    The government isn't going to provide any help for you to support that child.
    Nor should it. That role falls to the husband of the woman.

    If you have a pre-existing condition, forget getting health care. Forget health care period unless you are rich.
    The government should stay out of private healthcare, and not offer public healthcare.

    And if you give the baby up for adoption, it may never be adopted and go from foster home to foster home, risking abuse and neglect.
    Because our current system TOTALLY prevents that...

    If you are a child and your parents are unable to provide good nutrition for you , forget getting one good meal at lunch in school . Such programs will be abolished.
    When the government takes over the role of caring for a child, the parents start to neglect performing that role, because "hey, the government's doing it for me!"

    It's not the government's responsibility to care for children, to make sure they get fed breakfast, lunch, and dinner, to make sure they brush their teeth, or behave themselves in the store.

    That role belongs to the parents.

    It wont be pretty,
    Because our current system is so beautiful...



    I guarantee you ,whether you are male, female, straight or gay, young or old, white, black or brown unless you already happen to be rich .
    So therefore... what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horn View Post
    If Trump and the Republicans get their way...

    we'll continue making America great again

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