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    Quote Originally Posted by George Affleck View Post
    C'mon Dems, help us put the Bible back in schools if you really care.
    Rather, we should get kids OUT of the Godless schools. Be homeschooled.

    You can't put new wine into old wineskins, or they'll break.

    Putting God's word back into a Godless system won't work.

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    Where on earth would you find teachers who hadn't been irretrievably poisoned by the existing system?

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Affleck View Post
    You have bought in to the lie that says we can determine what the political affiliation was of a murderer by the evidence he leaves behind.
    Not hard to figure out when he blames environmental problems on Hispanics.

    What is left out of all of these discussions is that these people don't pack a lunch. They prepare only for immediate violence with no plan for escape. They have reached the point where they know they are going to their death; there is no life after the event - only the moment matters. They have reached the point where they embrace their own death, often at their own hands.
    In these cases, they intend to be martyrs for the cause.

    All suicide victims are mentally unstable; but there are two groups. Notice that suicide victims with a moral compass take steps not to involve others. Notice that suicide victims without a moral compass involve as many others as possible.
    That's the problem. These guys aren't crazy. They're political fanatics. And they're mean; hating anyone who isn't like them.

    Mass murderers grow to hate themselves and their own lives and will seize on any excuse to justify their actions to relieve them of their inner suffering. Religion, politics, racism, domestic problems, it doesn't matter.
    It mattered a lot to these guys. One of them traveled hundreds of miles to take out "Mexicans" in El Paso.

    Unless we recognize the similarities between these two types of suicide, no progress will be made in stemming the tide. Liberal ideology is actively scrubbing from society all remnants of Judeo-Christian ethics.
    I was raised with the idea that killing people was a bad thing to do, and that God tells us that our neighbors are not just those who look like us or believe the way we do. Scripture backs that up. So I'm figuring you have that wrong.

    The increase in instances of mass murder is directly proportional to the growing absence of objective morality.
    When evangelicals praise a serial adulterer who is a compulsive liar and who boasts about getting away with sexual assault, yes, there's something profoundly wrong with our society. And it's no coincidence that these massacres are happening now. They think their time has come.

    C'mon Dems, help us put the Bible back in schools if you really care.
    It never left. My daughter and her friends never got any harassment for bringing a Bible to school. They prayed publicly (in ways that didn't interfere with class room order) and they met as a club. Incidentally, the ACLU, which is largely supported by democrats, has repeatedly intervened to force schools to allow students to do this, or to wear religious articles to school.

    What has been outlawed (and quite properly) is a public school to impose religion on students. They are free to exercise their rights as individuals and groups so long as the school doesn't try to impose religion on anyone.

    I think that's what really has some people riled up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Rather, we should get kids OUT of the Godless schools. Be homeschooled.

    You can't put new wine into old wineskins, or they'll break.

    Putting God's word back into a Godless system won't work.
    Agree/disagree.

    Here's the disagreement part:
    It is not me who first thought of putting God's Word into a Godless system.
    God himself did it.

    According to you Ninevah can never happen.
    Religion is man's attempt to make himself acceptable to God. Christianity is God making man acceptable to Himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Not hard to figure out when ...
    Typical leftist deflection.

    Your denial of responsibility is part of the problem.
    Religion is man's attempt to make himself acceptable to God. Christianity is God making man acceptable to Himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Affleck View Post
    Agree/disagree.

    Here's the disagreement part:
    It is not me who first thought of putting God's Word into a Godless system.
    God himself did it.

    According to you Nineveh* can never happen.
    *(It's Nineveh, btw )

    To stick to the analogy, Nineveh was a new wineskin, never before used.

    But the Godless schools in our nation today used to have God in them, He's just been pushed out. They are old wineskins. Putting God's word back into them would break them, and you'd lose the wine.

    Patching the schools with new cloth would only tear the fabric they're made of, to use the other analogy Jesus used.

    What God did with Nineveh was to give new clothes to them, not patch up their old ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    *(It's Nineveh, btw )

    To stick to the analogy, Nineveh was a new wineskin, never before used.

    But the Godless schools in our nation today used to have God in them, He's just been pushed out.
    Worship of Caesar has been pushed out. But God remains. ACLU has always defended the rights of public school students to pray, carry a Bible (or other religious text) and to publicly worship on school property.

    The only restriction is that government can't get involved; our religious freedoms keep public school officials from promoting or restricting worship. The only limit is that such worship cannot disrupt instruction.

    So my daughter and her friends could have public prayer in front of the flagpole each day, meet during school hours for Fellowship of Christian Athletes, and so on.

    But that's not what establishmentarians want. They want to force others to worship as they dictate. And that's not going to happen. Yes, the law was scoffed at in many places and many times in our history. That's over now. Religious freedom, including the right to pray, carry a Bible, and to wear religious symbols is firmly enforced now.

    God never left school; Caesar-worship got kicked out. And his minions have been furious every since.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    *(It's Nineveh, btw )

    To stick to the analogy, Nineveh was a new wineskin, never before used.

    But the Godless schools in our nation today used to have God in them, He's just been pushed out. They are old wineskins. Putting God's word back into them would break them, and you'd lose the wine.

    Patching the schools with new cloth would only tear the fabric they're made of, to use the other analogy Jesus used.

    What God did with Nineveh was to give new clothes to them, not patch up their old ones.
    How is it possible for reasonably smart people to run so far off the rails? For someone who can obviously handle day-to-day tasks, you consistently make the list for lack of wisdom.

    You have, once again, labeled omnipotent God, and His Word, impotent in areas that you have unilaterally decided He can't work in. This is the same kind of misunderstanding as thinking that the Jews rejected Christ so the Kingdom was postponed.
    Please stop saying God can be pushed out of anywhere. It is impossible.
    He can decide to leave people to their own machinations, but it is never at the expense of losing control of any situation. He rules in the darkest corners of the cosmos.

    This is not a universe where two opposing ideas clash in a battle of Titans. Satan lost whatever war he thought existed in the garden when God promised Christ would crush him at the cross. Hatred/evil does not exist as a force; it is the absence of the perfect love of God. Darkness is the absence of light, silence is the absence of sound, cold is the absence of heat, evil is the absence of love.

    Further, schools cannot "have God in them". Only individual people can make that claim. Can you not see that my call "C'mon Dems, help us put the Bible back in schools if you really care." is a call to individual liberals to abandon an ideology that doesn't work?
    Religion is man's attempt to make himself acceptable to God. Christianity is God making man acceptable to Himself.

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    'No Blame?' ABC News finds 36 cases invoking 'Trump' in connection with violence, threats, alleged assaults.

    The 36 cases identified by ABC News are remarkable in that a link to the president is captured in court documents and police statements, under the penalty of perjury or contempt.

    In many cases of assault or threat, charges are never filed, perpetrators are never identified or the incident is never even reported to authorities. And most criminal acts committed by Trump supporters or his detractors have nothing to do with the president. But in 36 cases, court records and police reports indicated some sort of link.

    The perpetrators and suspects identified in the 36 cases are mostly white men -- as young as teenagers and as old as 75 -- while the victims largely represent an array of minority groups -- African-Americans, Latinos, Muslims and gay men.

    Federal law enforcement authorities have privately told ABC News they worry that -- even with Trump's public denunciations of violence -- Trump's stylecould inspire violence-prone individuals to take action against minorities or others they perceive to be against the president's agenda.


    Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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    But wait - seven of those opposed trump


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    And it appears that most of them don't involve actual acts of physical violence

    It appears they were also counting internet tough guy rhetoric - "in trump's America, we know how to take care of people like you!"

    That kind of silly nonsense

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    Awwww - poor deluded trump haters - once again another fail


    Good try though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    Awwww - poor deluded trump haters - once again another fail


    Good try though!
    I'm constantly reminded, with each one of these Trump related "crimes" (if you can call some of them that), of Ecclesiastes 8:11 and Deuteronomy 17:12-13

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Affleck View Post
    You have bought in to the lie that says we can determine what the political affiliation was of a murderer by the evidence he leaves behind.
    Barbarian observes:
    Not hard to figure out when he blames environmental problems on Hispanics.

    Typical leftist deflection.
    When you think that reality is a "leftist deflection", it's clear what the problem is.

    Your denial of responsibility is part of the problem.
    I know the reality. My daughter and her friends brought God into school every day, prayed there, and met with others them to pray.

    Anyone who says God was taken out of public schools, hasn't been there in a long time.[/quote]

    Denying the responsibility of those who incited this killer won't work. As you see, public schools never removed God; He's there in countless students who exercise their rights to pray, bring Sacred literature, and wear religious symbols.

    And if some school administrator doesn't get the message, the ACLU will haul him into court and force him to permit it.

    That's the reality. And it has nothing to do with why a racist killed all those people in El Paso.

    And people know it. No point in denying it.
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