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    Greetings again DougE,
    Quote Originally Posted by DougE View Post
    Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
    Hereby in the above verse we are to understand begotten.
    I appreciate your response. Could you suggest when “this day” occurred when Jesus was begotten by God, and thus became the Son of God?
    In regard to Psalm 110:1 .....Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear
    Above we read where Christ is exalted on the right hand
    So you agree that Jesus has now been exalted as Lord and Christ and is seated at the right hand of Yahweh, the One God, God the Father. Thus the two words translated LORD and Lord show the distinction between Yahweh and the Son of God.
    Acts 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
    Jesus was not subject to death as Adam
    He was subject to death as he died, but the grave could not hold him because he had never sinned, and thus God raised him from the dead. In this process the sentence proclaimed in Genesis 3:19 was reversed in Jesus, thus opening the way of life to all those who affectionately believe in what has been accomplished in the suffering, crucifixion, death and resurrection, and identify with this death and resurrection by baptism in water. Jesus was our representative, not our substitute. We still suffer and die, but wait for the return of Christ to raise the dead and give the faithful everlasting life in the Kingdom of God upon the earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrevorL View Post
    Greetings again DougE, I appreciate your response. Could you suggest when “this day” occurred when Jesus was begotten by God, and thus became the Son of God?
    So you agree that Jesus has now been exalted as Lord and Christ and is seated at the right hand of Yahweh, the One God, God the Father. Thus the two words translated LORD and Lord show the distinction between Yahweh and the Son of God.
    He was subject to death as he died, but the grave could not hold him because he had never sinned, and thus God raised him from the dead. In this process the sentence proclaimed in Genesis 3:19 was reversed in Jesus, thus opening the way of life to all those who affectionately believe in what has been accomplished in the suffering, crucifixion, death and resurrection, and identify with this death and resurrection by baptism in water. Jesus was our representative, not our substitute. We still suffer and die, but wait for the return of Christ to raise the dead and give the faithful everlasting life in the Kingdom of God upon the earth.

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    Hello
    Jesus didn't become the Son of God he is the Son of God.
    Acts 13:33 and Psalm 2:7 seems to indicate in saying this day, begotten refers to the resurrection of Christ.

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    Greetings again DougE,
    Quote Originally Posted by DougE View Post
    Jesus didn't become the Son of God he is the Son of God.
    Acts 13:33 and Psalm 2:7 seems to indicate in saying this day, begotten refers to the resurrection of Christ.
    I believe that he became the Son of God when he was conceived and born and the first use of the term "the only begotten of the Father" applies to this process John 1:14, Matthew 1:20-21 (refer KJV margin "conceived = Gr. begotten"), Luke 1:34-35, John 3:16. This is when Jesus became the Son of God, as he did not exist before he was conceived and born. There is only one God the Father. Jesus was born again to eternal life when God raised him from the dead Romans 1:1-4, and the term begotten seems to be applied to this process in Acts 13:33 and Psalm 2:7 as you state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrevorL View Post
    Greetings again DougE,I believe that he became the Son of God when he was conceived and born and the first use of the term "the only begotten of the Father" applies to this process John 1:14, Matthew 1:20-21 (refer KJV margin "conceived = Gr. begotten"), Luke 1:34-35, John 3:16. This is when Jesus became the Son of God, as he did not exist before he was conceived and born. There is only one God the Father. Jesus was born again to eternal life when God raised him from the dead Romans 1:1-4, and the term begotten seems to be applied to this process in Acts 13:33 and Psalm 2:7 as you state.

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    Hello
    I must disagree
    Jesus is God, as is the Father, as is the Holy Ghost, as is upheld in scripture; Jesus did not become the Son of God or come into existence as upheld by:
    Hebrews 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
    Melchisedec was made like the Son of God and according to this passage it would mean he had no beginning of days as you say.

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    Greetings again DougE,
    Quote Originally Posted by DougE View Post
    I must disagree
    Jesus is God, as is the Father, as is the Holy Ghost, as is upheld in scripture; Jesus did not become the Son of God or come into existence as upheld by:
    Hebrews 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
    Melchisedec was made like the Son of God and according to this passage it would mean he had no beginning of days as you say.
    I have helped to make this thread a discussion on One God the Father compared to the Trinity. There are many other threads that have dealt sufficiently with this subject. The subject of Melchizedek is interesting.

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