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    Loving Jesus enough to obey Him ensures salvation

    “And we know that God causes everything to work together
    for the good of those who love God and are called
    according to his purpose for them.” (Romans 8:28)

    These were predestined, called, justified, and glorified (8:29-30).

    Those who truly love God obey Him by resisting temptations to sin!

    “God blesses those who patiently endure testing and temptation.
    Afterward they will receive the crown of life that God
    has promised to those who love Him.” (James 1:12)

    Believers who endure temptation:
    ● love God
    ● chose to be obedient to Jesus (see below)
    ● will receive the crown of (eternal) life

    “Temptation comes from our own desires,
    which entice us and drag us away.
    These desires give birth to sinful actions.
    And when sin is allowed to grow, it gives birth to death.
    So, don’t be misled, my dear brothers and sisters.” (James 1:14-16)

    Believers who do NOT endure temptation:
    ● will fall into habitual sin
    ● will receive spiritual (eternal) death …
    UNLESS they sincerely repent (stop their habitual sinning).

    Those who really love Jesus obey Him
    “Those who accept My commandments and obey them
    are the ones who love Me.” (John 14:21)
    “All who love Me will do what I say.” (John 14:23)
    “Anyone who doesn’t love me will not obey me.” (John 14:24)
    “When you obey my commandments, you remain in my love” (John 15:10)
    “You are my friends, if you do what I command.” (John 15:14)

    Who gets to heaven who does not love Jesus,
    who is not His friend,
    and who does not obey His commandments?

    Slaves of sin -- OR -- slaves of obedience
    “… if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves,
    you are slaves of the one whom you obey,
    either (slaves) of sin which leads to (eternal) death, OR
    (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness?” (Romans 6:16)


    “… anyone who obeys my teachings will never die!” (John 8:51)

    “if you want to receive eternal life,
    keep the commandments.” (Matthew 19:17)

    “So, you must live as God’s obedient children.” (1 Peter 1:14)


    “Only those who fear the Lord and keep His commandments
    have life with God. But there is NO (eternal) life in those
    who do not keep His commandments.”

    (from “The Shepherd of Hermas”, which was quoted as Scripture by early
    Christian leaders such as Irenaeus, Origen, and Clement of Alexandria)
    Last edited by ZacharyB; July 16th, 2019 at 09:53 AM.
    "Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey,
    you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether
    (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, OR
    (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness?" (Romans 6:16)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZacharyB View Post
    “And we know that God causes everything to work together
    for the good of those who love God and are called
    according to his purpose for them.” (Romans 8:28)

    These were predestined, called, justified, and glorified (8:29-30).

    Those who truly love God obey Him by resisting temptations to sin!

    “God blesses those who patiently endure testing and temptation.
    Afterward they will receive the crown of life that God
    has promised to those who love Him.” (James 1:12)

    Believers who endure temptation:
    ● love God
    ● chose to be obedient to Jesus (see below)
    ● will receive the crown of (eternal) life

    “Temptation comes from our own desires,
    which entice us and drag us away.
    These desires give birth to sinful actions.
    And when sin is allowed to grow, it gives birth to death.
    So, don’t be misled, my dear brothers and sisters.” (James 1:14-16)

    Believers who do NOT endure temptation:
    ● will fall into habitual sin
    ● will receive spiritual (eternal) death …
    UNLESS they sincerely repent (stop their habitual sinning).

    Those who really love Jesus obey Him
    “Those who accept My commandments and obey them
    are the ones who love Me.” (John 14:21)
    “All who love Me will do what I say.” (John 14:23)
    “Anyone who doesn’t love me will not obey me.” (John 14:24)
    “When you obey my commandments, you remain in my love” (John 15:10)
    “You are my friends, if you do what I command.” (John 15:14)

    Who gets to heaven who does not love Jesus,
    who is not His friend,
    and who does not obey His commandments?

    Slaves of sin -- OR -- slaves of obedience
    “… if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves,
    you are slaves of the one whom you obey,
    either (slaves) of sin which leads to (eternal) death, OR
    (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness?” (Romans 6:16)


    “… anyone who obeys my teachings will never die!” (John 8:51)

    “if you want to receive eternal life,
    keep the commandments.” (Matthew 19:17)

    “So, you must live as God’s obedient children.” (1 Peter 1:14)


    “Only those who fear the Lord and keep His commandments
    have life with God. But there is NO (eternal) life in those
    who do not keep His commandments.”

    (from “The Shepherd of Hermas”, which was quoted as Scripture by early
    Christian leaders such as Irenaeus, Origen, and Clement of Alexandria)
    Explain exactly how one obeys God's word, and keep the all His commandments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faither View Post
    Explain exactly how one obeys God's word, and keep the all His commandments.
    Sorry, I musta missed the "please".
    It's all about the condition of one's heart.
    It's all about the striving to obey.
    It's all about trying to obey Jesus' commandments.
    When you slip up, sincerely repent,
    and Jesus' precious blood will cleanse you of your sin.
    Does the condition of your heart include repentance?
    "Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey,
    you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether
    (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, OR
    (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness?" (Romans 6:16)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZacharyB View Post
    Sorry, I musta missed the "please".
    It's all about the condition of one's heart.
    It's all about the striving to obey.
    It's all about trying to obey Jesus' commandments.
    When you slip up, sincerely repent,
    and Jesus' precious blood will cleanse you of your sin.
    Does the condition of your heart include repentance?
    So your saying we obey God and His commands by our own effort?

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    [QUOTE=ZacharyB;5346278]Loving Jesus enough to obey Him ensures salvation[/u]

    Amen, ultimately. For:

    Hebrews 5:9 . . . being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him . . .

    For:

    Matthew 7:21 ¶Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

    Romans 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
    7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
    8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faither View Post
    So your saying we obey God and His commands by our own effort?
    Yes, but not solely by our own effort. For Jesus said:

    John 15:5 . . . without me ye can do nothing.

    Just as Paul said:

    Philippians 2:12 . . . work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
    13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

    For while God makes it possible for Christians to do the right thing (Philippians 2:13, John 15:4-5), He does not take away their free will, turning them into robots, or into macabre flesh puppets, mere marionettes whom He forces to dance across the stage as He pulls on their strings. Instead, He leaves them as His real children with free will. And so they have to choose each and every day to deny themselves, to take up their crosses, and to follow Jesus Christ to the end (Luke 9:23, Matthew 24:13). And there is no assurance that they will choose to do that (Matthew 25:26,30, Luke 12:45-46, Luke 8:13), because of free will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faither View Post
    So your saying we obey God and His commands by our own effort?
    Our salvation is a co-operative effort between God and us.
    Man is to co-operate with the Holy Spirit via his God-given free-will.
    Often it's a matter of the Spirit leading us to do something,
    and we have the choice to co-operate with Him, or not.
    "Those led by the Spirit are sons of God" (Romans 8:14).
    "Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey,
    you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether
    (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, OR
    (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness?" (Romans 6:16)

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    Yes, living a godly life is based on love.

    "For this is the love (agápē) of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous" (1 John 5:3).

    The Christian loves keeping God's Commandments. For they are Truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZacharyB View Post
    Our salvation is a co-operative effort between God and us.
    Amen, with regard to ultimate salvation. For 2 Corinthians 5:9; 2 Corinthians 6:1; 1 Corinthians 3:9, Colossians 1:29, Philippians 2:12b, Titus 3:8, and Romans 2:6-8 show that Christians themselves must actually labor, together with God. Ultimate salvation is synergistic because Christians can end up losing their salvation if they wrongly employ their free will to stop their laboring, to become utterly lazy without repentance (Matthew 25:26,30, John 15:2a).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bradley D View Post
    Yes, living a godly life is based on love.

    "For this is the love (agape) of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous" (1 John 5:3).

    The Christian loves keeping God's Commandments. For they are Truth.
    Amen.

    If we love God, we will obey Him (1 John 5:3, John 14:21-24). And if we obey Him, He will continue to love us (John 15:10).

    It is not difficult for Christians to obey everything that God requires of them (1 John 5:3b, Matthew 11:28-30, John 14:15,21, Matthew 5:48, Revelation 3:2; 2 Timothy 3:16-17, Colossians 1:28, Philippians 3:15; 1 Corinthians 2:6; 2 Corinthians 13:11).

    But this does not include the letter of the commandments of the Old Covenant Mosaic law.

    For on Jesus Christ's Cross, for both Jews and Gentiles (John 11:51-52) of all times, the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law was completely and forever abolished (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18), disannulled (Hebrews 7:18), rendered obsolete (Hebrews 8:13, Galatians 3:2-25, Galatians 4:21 to 5:8), taken away and replaced (Hebrews 10:9) by the better hope (Hebrews 7:19), the better covenant (Hebrews 7:22, Hebrews 8:6-12), the second covenant (Hebrews 8:7, Hebrews 10:9), of Jesus' New Covenant law (Galatians 6:2, John 1:17, Matthew 26:28, Hebrews 12:24, Hebrews 9:15), so that the law was changed (Hebrews 7:12).

    All Christians, whether Jews or Gentles, of all times, are delivered from the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law and should not keep it (Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Galatians 2:11-21), or have any desire to keep it (Galatians 4:21 to 5:8, Galatians 3:2-25). Christians keep the spirit of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Romans 7:6) by loving others (Galatians 5:14, Romans 13:8-10), by doing to others as they would have others do to them (Matthew 7:12).

    The New Covenant is a new law (Hebrews 7:12,18-19, Hebrews 10:1-23), consisting of Jesus Christ's New Covenant/New Testament commandments (John 14:15), such as those which He gave in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:19 to 7:29) and in the epistles of the apostle Paul (1 Corinthians 14:37). These commandments exceed in righteousness the abolished letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Matthew 5:20-48), so there is no reason for any Christian to ever want to go back under it (Galatians 3:2 to 5:26). It was just a temporary schoolmaster (Galatians 3:24-25), a temporary shadow (Colossians 2:16-17), which God set up because of sins long after He had set up the original promise of the Abrahamic Covenant, and long before He brought this promise to fulfillment in Jesus' New Covenant (Galatians 3:16-29, Matthew 26:28).

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    "In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven. Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.…"(Matthew 516-18).

    Jesus Christ was the only person able to obey the law perfectly then and now. Thus being a guide for us. Jesus was the perfect sacrifice for our sins.

    We are still obligated to follow the law. The only true way to follow the law is by agape.

    "The commandments “Do not commit adultery,” “Do not murder,” “Do not steal,” “Do not covet,” and any other commandments, are summed up in this one decree: “Love your neighbor as yourself.…"(Romans 13:9).

    We will always have to deal with temptation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bradley D View Post
    "In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven. Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.…"(Matthew 516-18).
    Matthew 5:17-18 means that Jesus Christ came the first time not to abolish the prophecies in the Mosaic law and the Old Testament prophets regarding the Messiah's/the Christ's first coming, but to fulfill all those prophecies (Luke 24:44-48; e.g. Acts 3:22-26, Isaiah 53). Matthew 5:17-18 cannot mean that Jesus came not to abolish the letter of the commandments of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, for He did come to do that, on the Cross (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Hebrews 7:18-19). Also, Matthew 5:17-18 cannot mean that Jesus came to fulfill the letter of all of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments, for He could not possibly have done that. For example, some of those commandments applied only to women after childbirth (Leviticus 12:4-8), or to wives suspected of adultery by their husbands (Numbers 5:19-31).

    As the Christ (Matthew 5:17, Luke 24:44-46), the mediator of the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28, Hebrews 12:24, Hebrews 7:22, Hebrews 8:6-9), Jesus had the divine authority to contradict the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments and replace them with His own, even better, New Covenant commandments (Matthew 5:38-44, Matthew 19:7-9, John 8:5-7), such as those He gave in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:19 to 7:29) and in the epistles of the apostle Paul (1 Corinthians 14:37; 1 Thessalonians 4:2). And as the Christ, Jesus had the divine authority to allow His disciples to break the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments (Matthew 12:1-8).

    Quote Originally Posted by Bradley D View Post
    "In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven. Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.…"(Matthew 516-18).
    Matthew 5:18 did not mean that heaven and earth had to pass away before the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments could be abolished, but that Jesus Christ had to fulfill the Old Testament prophecies regarding the Messiah's/the Christ's first coming (Luke 24:44-46; e.g. Acts 3:22-26, Isaiah 53) before He could abolish the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments (for both Jews and Gentiles, of all times) on the Cross (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Hebrews 7:18-19).

    Quote Originally Posted by Bradley D View Post
    We are still obligated to follow the law.
    But not the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Romans 7:6).

    For on Jesus Christ's Cross, for both Jews and Gentiles (John 11:51-52) of all times, the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law was completely and forever abolished (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18), disannulled (Hebrews 7:18), rendered obsolete (Hebrews 8:13, Galatians 3:2-25, Galatians 4:21 to 5:8), taken away and replaced (Hebrews 10:9) by the better hope (Hebrews 7:19), the better covenant (Hebrews 7:22, Hebrews 8:6-12), the second covenant (Hebrews 8:7, Hebrews 10:9), of Jesus' New Covenant law (Galatians 6:2, John 1:17, Matthew 26:28, Hebrews 12:24, Hebrews 9:15), so that the law was changed (Hebrews 7:12).

    All Christians, whether Jews or Gentles, of all times, are delivered from the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law and should not keep it (Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Galatians 2:11-21), or have any desire to keep it (Galatians 4:21 to 5:8, Galatians 3:2-25). Christians keep the spirit of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Romans 7:6) by loving others (Galatians 5:14, Romans 13:8-10), by doing to others as they would have others do to them (Matthew 7:12).

    The New Covenant is a new law (Hebrews 7:12,18-19, Hebrews 10:1-23), consisting of Jesus Christ's New Covenant/New Testament commandments (John 14:15), such as those which He gave in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:19 to 7:29) and in the epistles of the apostle Paul (1 Corinthians 14:37). These commandments exceed in righteousness the abolished letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Matthew 5:20-48), so there is no reason for any Christian to ever want to go back under it (Galatians 3:2 to 5:26). It was just a temporary schoolmaster (Galatians 3:24-25), a temporary shadow (Colossians 2:16-17), which God set up because of sins long after He had set up the original promise of the Abrahamic Covenant, and long before He brought this promise to fulfillment in Jesus' New Covenant (Galatians 3:16-29, Matthew 26:28).

    The letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law has been made obsolete by the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:13). For example, the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law required an Aaronic priesthood (Exodus 30:30), whereas the New Covenant replaced the Aaronic priesthood with the Melchisedechian priesthood (Hebrews 7:11-28). And the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law required animal sacrifices for sin (Leviticus 23:19), whereas the New Covenant replaced these with the one-time sacrifice of Jesus Christ Himself on the Cross (Hebrews 10).

    The letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law is the Hagar to the New Covenant's Sarah (Galatians 4:21-25). So those people, whether Jews or Gentiles, who try to keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law are like Ishmael, Abraham's son by a bondmaid (Galatians 4:22), who was cast out (Galatians 4:30), while those people, whether Jews or Gentiles, who keep the New Covenant are like Isaac (Galatians 4:28), Abraham's son by a freewoman (Galatians 4:22,31), who became his heir (Galatians 4:30b).

    The letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, including the letter of its Ten Commandments, written and engraven in stones (2 Corinthians 3:7, Deuteronomy 4:13, Deuteronomy 27:8), was the ministration of death and condemnation (2 Corinthians 3:7,9). For example, see Leviticus 20:10, Exodus 31:14, and Numbers 15:32-36; and contrast these with the New Covenant's John 8:4-11 and Matthew 12:1-8.

    The letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law has been completely and forever done away (2 Corinthians 3:11), abolished (2 Corinthians 3:13b). But it is still able to spiritually blind some people as with a veil from beholding Jesus Christ (2 Corinthians 3:14-16), while the New Covenant is the ministration of the Spirit and righteousness (2 Corinthians 3:6,8-9b), which remains (2 Corinthians 3:11b), and which permits Christians to remove the veil and to behold Jesus (2 Corinthians 3:16-18, Mark 15:38, Hebrews 7:18-19, Ephesians 2:15-18, Colossians 2:14-17).

    But a mistaken spirit of Pharisaism can still sometimes deceive even some Christians into thinking that they must keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law to be saved from hell (Acts 15:1,5), or to become perfect (Galatians 3:2 to 5:26). This is a false, cursed gospel (Galatians 1:6-9). For if any Christians are keeping any part of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law thinking that they must do so in order to be saved from hell, or in order to become perfect, then Jesus Christ will profit them nothing. They have fallen from grace (Galatians 5:2-8).

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    Quote Originally Posted by bibleverse2 View Post
    Amen, with regard to ultimate salvation. For 2 Corinthians 5:9; 2 Corinthians 6:1;
    1 Corinthians 3:9, Colossians 1:29, Philippians 2:12b, Titus 3:8, and Romans 2:6-8 show that Christians themselves must actually labor, together with God.
    Ultimate salvation is synergistic because Christians can end up losing their salvation if they wrongly employ their free will to stop their laboring, to become utterly lazy without repentance (Matthew 25:26,30, John 15:2a).
    It's a terrible shame that Satan has SO deceived the churches that they do not believe this!
    "Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey,
    you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether
    (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, OR
    (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness?" (Romans 6:16)

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