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    Quote Originally Posted by k0de View Post
    It is true that both the Old and New Testaments are the story of the same God. But the Old Covenant was for a specific people in a specific place and time. His people Israel.

    This same God makes a New covenant that give an opportunity to the people of Israel and to all the people of world to come back to him through the Lord Jesus Christ.

    So how are they the same?
    If you have a 30mph on your local road and a 70mph on a highway, how are they the same. Its the same law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobie View Post
    If you have a 30mph on your local road and a 70mph on a highway, how are they the same. Its the same law.
    Incomplete sentence. Should read "It's the same law for auto mobile speed limits in the United States of America."

    Nice try. But unfortunately we aren't talking about speed limits.

    Answer the question: How are the two covenants the same?
    Abraham did not do such things.... (John 8:40)

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    Quote Originally Posted by k0de View Post
    Easier said than done. Please explain your position?
    It will be easy when God Himself gives them the ability to do it.

    Eze 36:24-28 KJV For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. (25) Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. (26) A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. (27) And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. (28) And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
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    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    It will be easy when God Himself gives them the ability to do it.

    Eze 36:24-28 KJV For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. (25) Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. (26) A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. (27) And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. (28) And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
    That's good. But it is only good for Israel. What about the Gentiles?
    Abraham did not do such things.... (John 8:40)

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    Quote Originally Posted by k0de View Post
    That's good. But it is only good for Israel. What about the Gentiles?
    What about them? Have you studied the Bible to attempt to find the answer?
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    That explains why your an idiot.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    What about them? Have you studied the Bible to attempt to find the answer?
    Nice try. But your answer to my question was half baked. And it only backs up your claim to kind of people. The people of Israel and not the entire world.

    My answer to your question of my Bible study. Is that my Bible study is a work in progress and with an open mind I will come to an understanding of His word the Holy Bible through the guidance, inspiration and revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Any further questions about my Bible study? If no, please answer my question.

    Works vs Grace?
    Abraham did not do such things.... (John 8:40)

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    Quote Originally Posted by k0de View Post
    Nice try. But your answer to my question was half baked. And it only backs up your claim to kind of people. The people of Israel and not the entire world.
    That was not my claim... that was what scripture says.

    Quote Originally Posted by k0de View Post
    My answer to your question of my Bible study. Is that my Bible study is a work in progress and with an open mind I will come to an understanding of His word the Holy Bible through the guidance and inspiration and revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Any further about my Bible study? If no, please answer my question.

    Works vs Grace?
    I do not understand your problem.

    Apart from the dispensation that we are currently in, God separated Israel from the nations (gentiles). If you have questions about how that works, I can point to you some scripture.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
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    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    That was not my claim... that was what scripture says.


    I do not understand your problem.

    Apart from the dispensation that we are currently in, God separated Israel from the nations (gentiles). If you have questions about how that works, I can point to you some scripture.
    I don't have any problem. I have all the tools readily available and I can do that at anytime for myself. But Iron sharpens iron right. I just wanted to hear your thoughts on the subject. I guess that's to much to ask. But thank you for responding to my post.
    Abraham did not do such things.... (John 8:40)

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    Quote Originally Posted by k0de View Post
    I don't have any problem. I have all the tools readily available and I can do that at anytime for myself. But Iron sharpens iron right. I just wanted to hear your thoughts on the subject. I guess that's to much to ask. But thank you for responding to my post.
    You need to be more specific... your "subject" is too broad for me to figure out what you're after.
    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    That explains why your an idiot.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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