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    The JCPOA is a sham. It was never signed by either party: US or Iran.

    Here is what the State Department said about it:

    The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) is not a treaty or an executive agreement, and is not a signed document. The JCPOA reflects political commitments between Iran, the P5+1 (the United States, the United Kingdom, France, Germany, Russia, China), and the European Union. As you know, the United States has a long-standing practice of addressing sensitive problems in negotiations that culminate in political commitments.
    The success of the JCPOA will depend not on whether it is legally binding or signed, but rather on the extensive verification measures we have put in place, as well as Iran’s understanding that we have the capacity to re-impose — and ramp up — our sanctions if Iran does not meet its commitments.
    This was just another case of Obama sending hundreds of millions of taxpayer money in a deal which means nothing. Just like the Paris Climate accord. Nothing but a scam.

    You can read the rest of this here: https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...t-not-binding/

    Obama's big signature deal of his presidency is meaningless. Nobody signed anything. Iran can walk any time it so chooses and so can the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ffreeloader View Post
    This was just another case of Obama sending hundreds of millions of taxpayer money in a deal which means nothing.
    I see the problem, your getting your facts from the national review....The neocons favorite propaganda tool.

    And just to correct the record.....Obama (as much as I dislike him) gave Iran their OWN money...It wasn't taxpayer money...
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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    I see the problem, your getting your facts from the national review....The neocons favorite propaganda tool.

    And just to correct the record.....Obama (as much as I dislike him) gave Iran their OWN money...It wasn't taxpayer money...
    LOL. Yeah, the Obama State Department lied about there being no signed deal. https://www.scribd.com/document/2910...een&from_embed
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    The US created the crisis by preventing Iran from exporting its excess uranium and then pointed to the expanding Iranian stockpile of uranium enriched to 3.6 percent as proof that Iran was about to launch a nuclear weapon!
    It's a cynical lie. That isn't remotely close to anything that could be used for a weapon. The Iranians did it only to protest our government reneging on the accord. The State Department is trying to inflame American fears of a nuclear-armed Iran, when they are presently incapable of becoming so. That is what the accords did. But now, they are free to go back to that point, before Obama's coalition forced them to stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    It's a cynical lie. That isn't remotely close to anything that could be used for a weapon. The Iranians did it only to protest our government reneging on the accord. The State Department is trying to inflame American fears of a nuclear-armed Iran, when they are presently incapable of becoming so. That is what the accords did. But now, they are free to go back to that point, before Obama's coalition forced them to stop.
    What's a cynical lie?
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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    What's a cynical lie?
    This is:

    "and then pointed to the expanding Iranian stockpile of uranium enriched to 3.6 percent as proof that Iran was about to launch a nuclear weapon!"

    It's not possible to make a nuclear bomb with 3.6 percent enriched uranium. Sorry about that. I didn't mean you; I meant the U.S. government.

    I may disagree with you sometimes, but I know you don't lie here, and you're anything but cynical.
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    New leak claims Trump scrapped Iran nuclear deal 'to spite Obama'


    Donald Trump abandoned the Iran nuclear deal to spite Barack Obama, according to a leaked memo written by the UK's former ambassador in the US.
    Sir Kim Darroch described the move as an act of "diplomatic vandalism", according to the Mail on Sunday.
    The paper says the memo was written after the then Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson appealed to the US in 2018 to stick with the deal.

    The Mail on Sunday reports that Sir Kim wrote to Mr Johnson informing him Republican President Trump appeared to be abandoning the nuclear deal for "personality reasons" - because the pact had been agreed by his Democrat predecessor, Barack Obama.

    Under the 2015 deal backed by the US and five other nations, Iran agreed to limit its sensitive nuclear activities in return for the lifting of crippling economic sanctions.

    However, President Trump said he did not think that the deal went far enough in curtailing Iran's nuclear ambitions and reinstated US sanctions after withdrawing from it in May 2018.

    In a tweet from June this year, the president also said he objected to Mr Obama having given Iran £1.8bn (£1.4bn) as part of the deal. Commentators later pointed out this was related to the settlement of an unfulfilled military order from the 1970s.

    Tehran recently announced it would break a limit set on uranium enrichment, in breach of the deal's conditions. However the UK, Germany and France say they are still committed to the deal.

    The British ambassador's memo is said to have highlighted splits amongst US presidential advisers; he wrote that the White House did not have a strategy of how to proceed following withdrawal from the deal.

    According to the paper, in his memo to Mr Johnson, Sir Kim wrote: "The outcome illustrated the paradox of this White House: you got exceptional access, seeing everyone short of the president; but on the substance, the administration is set upon an act of diplomatic vandalism, seemingly for ideological and personality reasons - it was Obama's deal.

    "Moreover, they can't articulate any 'day-after' strategy; and contacts with State Department this morning suggest no sort of plan for reaching out to partners and allies, whether in Europe or the region."

    Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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    Well, to be fair, Obama has repeatedly angered Trump by beating him out every year for Most Admired Man. The president typically owns that title, but Obama continued to win it even after leaving office.

    That apparently really, really eats at Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Well, to be fair, Obama has repeatedly angered Trump by beating him out every year for Most Admired Man. The president typically owns that title, but Obama continued to win it even after leaving office.

    That apparently really, really eats at Trump.
    you have a sickness

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffreeloader View Post
    The JCPOA is a sham. It was never signed by either party: US or Iran.
    It was merely an agreement. Obama told them that if they ever wanted to see their money again or sell oil on the international market (we had taken all Iranian assets in the United States, and impounded them) they'd give up their nuclear weapons program and submit to inspections on his terms.

    Ultimately, they folded and gave him what he demanded.

    This was just another case of Obama sending hundreds of millions of taxpayer money in a deal which means nothing.
    No. That's just a story someone made up for you. Iran got their money back after they agreed to Obama's demands.

    Obama's big signature deal of his presidency is meaningless.
    Not quite. Since Iran has so far not come close to starting up a weapons program, the rest of the coalition seems willing to maintain the deal with Iran. And if Trump doesn't improve his standing in the states he narrowly won last time, there will be a pro-American president in the WH again after November.

    Worth waiting for.

    Nobody signed anything. Iran can walk any time it so chooses and so can the US.
    True of any international agreement. But I'm guessing Iran is waiting to see how our elections come out before returning to a weapons program. That's the real reason for Trump reneging on the deal; Bolton wants a war with Iran, and this would be the best excuse he can get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    ............Well, ..........

    That apparently really, really eats at Trump.
    Are you saying Trump is a fat-head?
    So, what?

    believe it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ktoyou View Post
    Are you saying Trump is a fat-head?
    No, although I can see why some people would think he is. However, adipose tissue has more cognitive ability than we've seen from Trump over the past few years.
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