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    Greetings Hobie,
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    One day a young ruler came to Jesus and fell on his knees before him. He said, "Good Master, what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
    Jesus told him 'if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments' and started quoting the 10 commandments; "Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother."
    The young man said he had kept them from the time he was a boy. He had lived a good life. But the Bible says that Jesus looked into the man's heart and saw something that was keeping him from becoming a follower.
    Jesus told him that he still lacked one thing, he must sell the things he owned and give the money to the poor. Then he would have treasure in heaven, and he could follow Jesus. The young man's face fell and he went away sad because he had great riches that he would not part with.
    I suggest that Jesus was taking the Young Rich Ruler on one step to break his conviction and mind-set that eternal life could be achieved by obedience to the Law, including obedience to the 10 Commandments. I notice that you say Jesus “started quoting the 10 commandments”. I suggest that Jesus deliberately stopped short of quoting the 10th Commandment “Thou shalt not covet”, because any sincere believer would have to admit the problem that they have encountered with this Law. Jesus left this to Paul to elaborate in Romans 7 the difficulty that any Jew had with this Law:
    Romans 7:7–11 (ASV 1901): 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Howbeit, I had not known sin, except through the law: for I had not known coveting, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet: 8 but sin, finding occasion, wrought in me through the commandment all manner of coveting: for apart from the law sin is dead. 9 And I was alive apart from the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died; 10 and the commandment, which was unto life, this I found to be unto death: 11 for sin, finding occasion, through the commandment beguiled me, and through it slew me.
    So what does this mean to us today, what must I do to inherit eternal life?
    Justification is and has always been by faith, from the Garden of Eden, including Abraham, and for those under the Law of Moses. An example for us is the following, where the Samaritans believed the Gospel and were baptised into the death and resurrection of Jesus.
    Acts 8:5–6,12 (KJV): 5 Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them. 6 And the people with one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake, hearing and seeing the miracles which he did. 12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

    Kind regards
    Trevor

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    The Lord Jesus Christ was preaching the gospel of the kingdom while on earth... not the gospel of the grace of God that He later gave to Paul when He appeared to Paul.
    Acts 26:20 (Paul)

    But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

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    My theology is that the elect of Israel became the scattered church among the nations, and when filled up with the full number of gentiles who believe to become one with them, then Christ will return and gather them, and God will then pour out His wrath on the unbelievers of both Jew and Gentile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    The Lord Jesus Christ was preaching the gospel of the kingdom while on earth... not the gospel of the grace of God that He later gave to Paul when He appeared to Paul.
    and.. Acts 20:21

    Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobie View Post
    and.. Acts 20:21

    Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
    What's the problem? They both require repentance.

    Do tell me, let me guess.... you think that there is only one "good news" in the Bible.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
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    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazy afternoon View Post
    What about the need for repentance in order to receive the gift?


    Luk 24:47


    And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
    You and I already did when we accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

    The Biblical repentance, in relation to salvation, is changing your mind from rejection of Christ to faith in Christ.

    No one can work to earn salvation.
    Abraham did not do such things.... (John 8:40)

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    In the space between zero and one on a number line exist an infinite number of numbers. In the space between zero and one second on a clock exist a similar infinite amount of moments.

    A dying breath can be like eternal life when time as we reckon it ceases. And in that moment of dying as the body ceases and the soul or spirit is revealed....there may not be time as we measure it. So, eternal life can be viewed in many different ways besides singing in Heaven forever with the angels as a lifetime, or a thousand lifetimes may be experienced in one’s dying breath. FWIW.
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    Greetings Right Divider,
    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Do tell me, let me guess.... you think that there is only one "good news" in the Bible.
    Yes, the Gospel was revealed in Eden Genesis 3:15, and more detail was added in the promises to Abraham and David, including the land and the Kingdom, and the prophets gave more detail of the Things concerning the Kingdom of God and when Jesus came he more fully revealed the Things concerning the Name of Jesus Christ, then the Apostles and faithful preached the Gospel which included The Things concerning the Kingdom of God and the Name of Jesus Christ and the believers responded by being baptised Acts 8:5-6,12. Yes there is only one Gospel Galatians 1:6-9,3:8-9.

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    “No intelligent student of the Scriptures believes, or teaches, that there is only one gospel in the Scriptures…” – J.C. O’Hair (a long long time ago in the 20th century)
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
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    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrevorL View Post
    Greetings Hobie, I suggest that Jesus was taking the Young Rich Ruler on one step to break his conviction and mind-set that eternal life could be achieved by obedience to the Law, including obedience to the 10 Commandments. I notice that you say Jesus “started quoting the 10 commandments”. I suggest that Jesus deliberately stopped short of quoting the 10th Commandment “Thou shalt not covet”, because any sincere believer would have to admit the problem that they have encountered with this Law. Jesus left this to Paul to elaborate in Romans 7 the difficulty that any Jew had with this Law:
    Romans 7:7–11 (ASV 1901): 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Howbeit, I had not known sin, except through the law: for I had not known coveting, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet: 8 but sin, finding occasion, wrought in me through the commandment all manner of coveting: for apart from the law sin is dead. 9 And I was alive apart from the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died; 10 and the commandment, which was unto life, this I found to be unto death: 11 for sin, finding occasion, through the commandment beguiled me, and through it slew me.
    Justification is and has always been by faith, from the Garden of Eden, including Abraham, and for those under the Law of Moses. An example for us is the following, where the Samaritans believed the Gospel and were baptised into the death and resurrection of Jesus.
    Acts 8:5–6,12 (KJV): 5 Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them. 6 And the people with one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake, hearing and seeing the miracles which he did. 12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

    Kind regards
    Trevor
    My brother, lets look at Romans 6:14, 15. "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid."

    We see that Paul gives his own explanation of his statement. After stating that we are not under the law but under grace, he asks, "What then?" or how are we to understand this? Then notice his answer, he says, "Shall we sin (break the law) because we are not under the law but under grace? God forbid." In the strongest possible language Paul states that being under grace does not give a license to break the law.

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    Greetings again Hobie,
    Quote Originally Posted by Hobie View Post
    My brother, lets look at Romans 6:14, 15. "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid."

    We see that Paul gives his own explanation of his statement. After stating that we are not under the law but under grace, he asks, "What then?" or how are we to understand this? Then notice his answer, he says, "Shall we sin (break the law) because we are not under the law but under grace? God forbid." In the strongest possible language Paul states that being under grace does not give a license to break the law.
    I agree that we do not have a licence to sin because we are not under The Law. Actually those who are true disciples become very conscious of their sins and falling short of the glory of God. Jesus in his teaching expanded such Laws as "Thou shalt not kill" to nearly every aspect of dealing with people in Matthew 5:17-20, 21-26. Thus we are under these instructions and need to see that even these are typical examples of building upon the foundation of Jesus' words and keeping them Matthew 7:24-27. Thus we are not under the limited Law, but under a whole way of life. Actually Jesus did deal with the rich young ruler's covetousness, and he also invited him to be a disciple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrevorL View Post
    Greetings again Hobie,I agree that we do not have a licence to sin because we are not under The Law. Actually those who are true disciples become very conscious of their sins and falling short of the glory of God. Jesus in his teaching expanded such Laws as "Thou shalt not kill" to nearly every aspect of dealing with people in Matthew 5:17-20, 21-26. Thus we are under these instructions and need to see that even these are typical examples of building upon the foundation of Jesus' words and keeping them Matthew 7:24-27. Thus we are not under the limited Law, but under a whole way of life. Actually Jesus did deal with the rich young ruler's covetousness, and he also invited him to be a disciple.

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    My brother, and yet he went away sad because he could not give up his riches. We cannot throw the law away and keep in sin and say we have eternal life, that's what is happening today.

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    Greetings again Hobie,
    Quote Originally Posted by Hobie View Post
    My brother, and yet he went away sad because he could not give up his riches. We cannot throw the law away and keep in sin and say we have eternal life, that's what is happening today.
    I agree with what you say, except we are not under The Law

    The life in Christ is much more comprehensive than being under The Law, and obedience to the Law mindset as I explained from Matthew 5 and the expanded teaching of Jesus concerning “Thou shalt not kill”. The Law failed to produce obedience as illustrated by Paul in Romans 7:7-11 where he considers his experience with the Commandment “Thou shalt not covet”.

    Looking again at Jesus’ instruction to the young rich ruler:
    Mark 10:21 (KJV): Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

    The phrases “come, take up the cross, and follow me” seem to be similar to Jesus’ invitation:
    Matthew 11:28–30 (KJV): 28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
    We find the true rest by service in Christ, and this replaces the Sabbath Law.

    And Jesus prefigured his own death when he said “take up the cross” because he was the pre-eminent example of crucifying the flesh and living unto God. Paul also speaks of this crucified / resurrected life and such a life excludes continuing in sin.
    Galatians 2:20 (KJV): I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
    Such a life “the obedience of faith” Romans 16:26 and “a faith working though love” Galatians 5:6 also replaces the obedience to Law mindset that was shown by the rich young ruler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrevorL View Post
    Greetings again Hobie, I agree with what you say, except we are not under The Law

    The life in Christ is much more comprehensive than being under The Law, and obedience to the Law mindset as I explained from Matthew 5 and the expanded teaching of Jesus concerning “Thou shalt not kill”. The Law failed to produce obedience as illustrated by Paul in Romans 7:7-11 where he considers his experience with the Commandment “Thou shalt not covet”.

    Looking again at Jesus’ instruction to the young rich ruler:
    Mark 10:21 (KJV): Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

    The phrases “come, take up the cross, and follow me” seem to be similar to Jesus’ invitation:
    Matthew 11:28–30 (KJV): 28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
    We find the true rest by service in Christ, and this replaces the Sabbath Law.

    And Jesus prefigured his own death when he said “take up the cross” because he was the pre-eminent example of crucifying the flesh and living unto God. Paul also speaks of this crucified / resurrected life and such a life excludes continuing in sin.
    Galatians 2:20 (KJV): I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
    Such a life “the obedience of faith” Romans 16:26 and “a faith working though love” Galatians 5:6 also replaces the obedience to Law mindset that was shown by the rich young ruler.

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    Trevor
    My brother, so is it ok to covet, steal, take others wifes in a adulterous relationship, of course not. You have to have the Law written in the fleshy parts of your heart, so its still there in the new covenant, as long as God exists.

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    Greetings again Hobie,
    Quote Originally Posted by Hobie View Post
    My brother, so is it ok to covet, steal, take others wifes in a adulterous relationship, of course not. You have to have the Law written in the fleshy parts of your heart, so its still there in the new covenant, as long as God exists.
    The fullness of the life in Christ supplants the negative thinking of those under The Law and this seems to be your mindset, possibly as a SDA. Romans 6:1-14 clearly teaches why we must not continue in a life of sin because we are not under law but grace, but you insist on law again, rather than the lesson of the crucified / resurrected life in Christ. And Romans 6:15-23 speaks about the temptation or contemplation of committing one sin, and again Paul does not appeal to The Law but to the life in Christ and servitude to Christ and not Sin. This is the basis then of Romans 7 of the struggle against Sin in Romans 7, for those under the Law and even unto us who are not under The Law, but the mindset is partly with us. This then leads into Romans 8 where we are encouraged by the victory of Christ over Sin, and our sharing of this victory over Sin now,and the freedom from the mindset of those under The Law.

    Your agenda ultimately could be the insistence on keeping the Sabbath, rather than accepting the True Rest in Christ. An example of the SDA mindset was discussed with me by a SDA workmate concerning some of his SDA friends at Coorangbong, the heart of EGW territory. They had a serious discussion on whether it was lawful if on a Saturday morning they were about to drive their car to Church, and then realised that the windscreen was dirty. Was it Lawful to wash and clean the windscreen on the Sabbath?

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