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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    entropy and thermodynamics in general are best applied to their original use, steam tables
    The math behind steam tables is applicable in areas like economics that have nothing to do with heat.

    Entropy as a concept might have arisen from heat transfer issues, but it has been shown to be a universal concept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    "Entropy", for creationists is a sciencey-sounding buzzword they toss in to make it seem as though they actually know something about science.

    For them, it's "entropy is why my kitchen doesn't clean itself", without being able to figure out how the world does clean itself.

    The stopper is "name me any process, required for evolution, that is ruled out by the first law of thermodynamics."

    Since they usually don't know what processes are required by evolution, and because they almost never have a good understanding of thermodynamics, one usually gets vague and untestable objections.

    Not always, though. Not long ago, I was debating that relative rarity, a real scientist creationist. A physicist. Not surprisingly, he didn't mention entropy at all.
    We've been through this before on this site. Eventually it gets to information theory, and then the YEC runs into trouble in defining "information".

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    Quote Originally Posted by chair View Post
    We've been through this before on this site. Eventually it gets to information theory, and then the YEC runs into trouble in defining "information".
    Nope.

    We define our terms and stick with them.

    For example:

    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post4235552
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post4236617

    To sum up: Information is a code or sequence that conveys meaning. Note how that has nothing to do with heat transfer, yet entropy is a valid description of its properties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chair View Post
    We've been through this before on this site. Eventually it gets to information theory, and then the YEC runs into trouble in defining "information".
    The fun ensues when one informs them that "information", like "entropy", is defined mathematically. Population genetics uses it constantly. But your average creationist doesn't even know what "information" is, much less how it's calculated, or how it would be a problem for evolution.

    Another sciencey word they like to drop, but have no idea how it might apply to evolution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    The fun ensues when one informs them that "information", like "entropy", is defined mathematically.
    Nope.

    There's no mathematical way to properly calculate the meaning value of a data set.

    There are things called information in mathematical models, but they do not cover meaning.

    Darwinists do not even know what "information" is, much less how it's applied or how it is a problem for evolution.

    Another scientific concept they like to avoid.
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