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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Ok. That was the body of Christ.
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    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
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    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

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    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

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    According to Jesus words here can a man by his own freewill ability come to Christ ? Jn 6:65

    65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

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    John 3:16 New Living Translation (NLT)
    16 “For this is how God loved the world: He gave[a] his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.
    He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    According to Jesus words here can a man by his own freewill ability come to Christ ? Jn 6:65

    65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

    Jesus said he cannot John 6:65 !

    A man's own will is not free from the predetermined counsel of God Is. 46:10.

    Therefore, the choices he makes in time have already been determined by God to be made according to His Will: according to His Eternal Purpose in Christ Jesus Eph. 3:11.

    Dan. 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
    My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever:
    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanja View Post
    Jesus said he cannot John 6:65 !

    A man's own will is not free from the predetermined counsel of God Is. 46:10.

    Therefore, the choices he makes in time have already been determined by God to be made according to His Will: according to His Eternal Purpose in Christ Jesus Eph. 3:11.

    Dan. 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
    Amen Excellent speech !
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright Raven View Post
    John 3:16 New Living Translation (NLT)
    16 “For this is how God loved the world: He gave[a] his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.
    Evasion and Rabbit trail. According to Jesus words here can a man by his own freewill ability come to Christ ? Jn 6:65

    65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Man by nature cant by his own freewill ability come to Christ because all men by nature are spiritually dead in [in the sphere of] trespasses and sins. Speaking of Gods elect Paul writes of them by nature Eph 2:1-3

    And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

    2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

    3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

    The word dead here nekros means:

    adj: dead, lifeless, subject to death, mortal, (b) noun: a dead body, a corpse.

    The lifeless here by nature is lifeless spiritually. Spiritually to God and things of God man naturally is liken to a dead lifeless corpse.

    Jesus used this same word here Matt 8:22

    But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

    Now the dead was to bury the dead. The Spiritually dead person was to bury the physically dead person. Yet the Spiritually dead person wasnt dead physically was he ? Did you know that one can be dead, lifeless and yet be physically live and active ?

    Now in order for a man to come to Christ he must first have life, no not physical life but spiritual life which not even the elect have by nature.
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    The man or women who comes to Christ, doesn't come by their own freewill ability, because naturally man is spiritually dead and without any spiritual life and ability. However when the Father draws one to Christ, He begins by giving them life, spiritual life. The drawing indicates life has been given.

    See coming denotes motion and motion denotes living'

    The word draw denotes to impel to impart motion to, which motion is life, spiritual life
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    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    In order for man to come to Christ he must be given motion, life, this comes by quickening. All who come to Christ have been quickened out of a dead spiritual state. Eph 2:1

    And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

    In the original the word quickened isnt there, its derived from verse 5 and its the word
    suzˇopoieˇ and means:

    to make alive together with
    Usage: I make alive together with.

    I make that which was dead to live, cause to live, quicken.

    This causing to live is giving motion to, which is the impelling aspect of drawing Jn 6:44 and 12:32

    So quickening and drawing can be used interchangeably.
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    In order for man to come to Christ he must be given motion, life, this comes by quickening. All who come to Christ have been quickened out of a dead spiritual state. Eph 2:1

    [FONT="]And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

    In the original the word quickened isnt there, its derived from verse 5 and its the word [/FONT]
    suzˇopoieˇ and means:

    to make alive together with
    Usage: I make alive together with.

    I make that which was dead to live, cause to live, quicken.

    This causing to live is giving motion to, which is the impelling aspect of drawing Jn 6:44 and 12:32

    So quickening and drawing can be used interchangeably.

    Amen to #37, #38, and #39 !

    No man can come to Christ by his own freewill because by nature they're all spiritually dead in sin: A dead lifeless corpse Eph. 2:1 !

    Coming to Christ is all the Action of God Himself:

    The Father draws or quickens / makes Alive to Christ all His Chosen ones Eph. 1:4-7 which were risen together with Him when He rose from the dead.

    Col. 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;


    So because they were already forgiven of their sins, quickened and raised together with Christ 1 Pet. 1:2 they must be quickened / made Alive Spiritually in time John 3:3,6.


    Obviously then, coming to Christ has nothing to do with a man's work of choosing it by his own freewill, or any performance on his part. But solely because God had discriminately elected particular individuals to be beneficiaries of His Grace Eph. 2:5, 8 !
    My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever:
    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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