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    Quote Originally Posted by bibleverse2 View Post
    Note that there is only one Gospel (Galatians 1:8-9), which includes multiple aspects. The core of the Gospel is that we can be initially saved from hell by believing that Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ and the human/divine Son of God (John 20:31, John 3:36; 1 John 2:23) and that He suffered and died on the Cross for our sins and rose physically from the dead on the third day (1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Luke 24:39,46-47, Matthew 20:19, Matthew 26:28).

    And the Gospel is that we can be ultimately saved from hell if we continue to believe this to the end (Hebrews 3:6,12,14, Colossians 1:23), and continue to perform good works of faith to the end (Romans 2:6-8; 1 Thessalonians 1:3), and repent from every sin that we commit (Hebrews 10:26-29), and get water-immersion (burial) baptized into Jesus Christ (Mark 16:16, Romans 6:3-11), and partake of Jesus' divine flesh and blood in the bread and wine of Communion (John 6:53; 1 Corinthians 11:23-30), and forgive everyone for everything (Matthew 6:14-15), and do all that we can (Romans 12:18) to make reparations to and peace with everyone whom we have ever wronged (Matthew 5:23-26), and help Christians in need (Matthew 25:34-46), and provide for our families (1 Timothy 5:8), and do not blaspheme God's Holy Spirit (Mark 3:29), and do not remove words from the book of Revelation (Revelation 22:19), and do not worship the future Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") or worship his image or willingly receive his mark (Revelation 14:9-12), but continue in God's goodness to the end (Romans 11:22) and overcome to the end (Revelation 3:5, Revelation 2:26).

    Before Jesus Christ acknowledged these aspects of the Gospel to His disciples (e.g. in Matthew 16:16-17, Matthew 16:21, Matthew 26:28), the aspect of the Gospel which He preached was the Kingdom of God (e.g. Matthew 4:23, Matthew 6:33, Matthew 12:28).

    (See post #64 above)
    Matthew 6:14-15 Is the requirement for Israel under the covenant to forgive others to be forgiven. The body of Christ is already forgiven in Christ.

    Matthew 5:23-26 is more about forgiving under the covenant and the law.

    Matthew 25:34-46 is when the Gentile nations are judged as to whether or not they enter the Davidic millennial kingdom on earth based on how they treated Israel in the tribulation.

    Revelation 3:5 Israel has to endure to the end of the tribulation and remain faithful to enter the kingdom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bibleverse2 View Post
    Note that there is only one Gospel (Galatians 1:8-9), which includes multiple aspects. The core of the Gospel is that we can be initially saved from hell by believing that Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ and the human/divine Son of God (John 20:31, John 3:36; 1 John 2:23) and that He suffered and died on the Cross for our sins and rose physically from the dead on the third day (1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Luke 24:39,46-47, Matthew 20:19, Matthew 26:28).

    And the Gospel is that we can be ultimately saved from hell if we continue to believe this to the end (Hebrews 3:6,12,14, Colossians 1:23), and continue to perform good works of faith to the end (Romans 2:6-8; 1 Thessalonians 1:3), and repent from every sin that we commit (Hebrews 10:26-29), and get water-immersion (burial) baptized into Jesus Christ (Mark 16:16, Romans 6:3-11), and partake of Jesus' divine flesh and blood in the bread and wine of Communion (John 6:53; 1 Corinthians 11:23-30), and forgive everyone for everything (Matthew 6:14-15), and do all that we can (Romans 12:18) to make reparations to and peace with everyone whom we have ever wronged (Matthew 5:23-26), and help Christians in need (Matthew 25:34-46), and provide for our families (1 Timothy 5:8), and do not blaspheme God's Holy Spirit (Mark 3:29), and do not remove words from the book of Revelation (Revelation 22:19), and do not worship the future Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") or worship his image or willingly receive his mark (Revelation 14:9-12), but continue in God's goodness to the end (Romans 11:22) and overcome to the end (Revelation 3:5, Revelation 2:26).

    Before Jesus Christ acknowledged these aspects of the Gospel to His disciples (e.g. in Matthew 16:16-17, Matthew 16:21, Matthew 26:28), the aspect of the Gospel which He preached was the Kingdom of God (e.g. Matthew 4:23, Matthew 6:33, Matthew 12:28).

    (See post #64 above)
    One last thing in regard to Mark 16:16
    In regards to baptism being necessary for our salvation....Paul said in 1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
    Baptism was not part of the gospel preached by Paul otherwise he would have preached baptism as a requirement of salvation. Baptism was distinct from the gospel, not part of it.
    It was what Christ did by his cross.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clete View Post
    I wonder who it is that posts like this are suppose to convince?

    What exactly is the point of showing up on a thread and posting one single post with nothing quoted and no argument made. It's just a bald assertion shouted into the aether.

    Truster, if you have an argument to make then make it. If you know so much more than we do such that we don't even know what the word "gospel" means, then it should be easy enough for you to teach it to us. Please, by all means, show us just how bird brained we are!


    By the way, it isn't proper to use both "or" and "nor" in the same sentence and I'm pretty sure that neither the Old nor the New Testament were spoken. It seems like both are entirely written. Just sayin'.

    (entirely written - just sayin' - see what I did there? )


    Seriously though, you showing up and saying something doesn't make it so. Make an argument! It's much more interesting and people might actualy start to care about what you write in your posts.

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    Anything I post will be understood by those to whom it is directed. To the likes of you, it will be foolishness.

    "The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of Elohim. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned."
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    Anything I post will be understood by those to whom it is directed. To the likes of you, it will be foolishness.
    Once again, saying it doesn't make it so, Truster.

    Besides, I understand you fully! It isn't that your bald assertions are difficult to understand, it's that they are not neither addressed to anyone in particular nor substantiated by any sort of argument whatsoever! They're just floated out there as though you're the oracle of God Himself and that we are all to simply take your word for it.

    Face it, you're a troll. You don't make arguments because you are incapable of doing so. Nobody gives a rip about your posts because you have the substance of a wet piece of toilet paper. What in the world are you even doing here?

    Don't answer that! I don't care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    That's too bad because God is offering salvation by grace through faith TODAY, but not a kingdom on the earth.
    Note that it's not either/or, but both/and (Revelation 5:9-10).

    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    [Re: Romans 1:16]

    It's interesting that you choose a verse that makes a distinction between Jew and Greek when Paul says that there is no difference in the body of Christ. Gal 3:28
    Note that Romans 1:16 was written by Paul to show that there is no distinction between Jew and Greek with regard to our salvation from hell under the one and only Gospel of Jesus Christ.

    Also, regarding your reference to:

    Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

    Note that this cannot mean that there are no Christians who are Jews or Gentiles in any sense, for Christians remain either genetic Jews (Acts 22:3) or genetic Gentiles (Romans 16:4b). Similarly, Galatians 3:28 does not mean that there are no Christians who are males or females, for we are still males or females with regard to our genitals and with regard to other matters (1 Timothy 2:11-12; 1 Corinthians 14:34-37; 1 Corinthians 11:4-16; 1 Peter 3:7a).

    So Galatians 3:28 can only mean that there is no distinction between Jewish and Gentile Christians, or between male and female Christians, with regard to them being "one in Christ" (Galatians 3:28b) in the sense of them being one body in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 4:4-6) without distinction with regard to their salvation (Romans 10:12; 1 Corinthians 12:13; 1 Peter 3:7b).

    See also post #81 above.

    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    [Re: Romans 1:16]

    In the body of Christ there is NO "Jew first".
    Note that there is, but only with regard to chronology; i.e. the Gospel was preached to Jews before it was preached to Gentiles (Luke 24:46-47).

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougE View Post
    First of all you are right in identifying the gospel for our justification unto eternal life in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. This is all that has to be believed to be saved.
    Amen, just as Jesus Christ Himself had preached (Luke 24:46-47).

    Quote Originally Posted by DougE View Post
    Christ has accomplished a complete salvation not an initial salvation.
    Note that the ideas of initial salvation and ultimate salvation do not have to be explicitly referred to in the Bible as "initial salvation" and "ultimate salvation" for them to be true and supported by the Bible, just as, for example, the ideas of the unity of God and the Trinity do not have to be explicitly referred to in the Bible as "the unity" and "the Trinity" for them to be true and supported by the Bible (John 10:30, John 1:1,14, Isaiah 45:5, Matthew 28:19, Acts 5:3-4).

    For in the Bible, the difference between initial salvation and ultimate salvation is that initial salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ without any works at all on our part (Romans 4:1-5, Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9), while other passages show that Christians must have both faith and continued works of faith (1 Thessalonians 1:3, Galatians 5:6b, Titus 3:8) (not works of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law), if they are to obtain ultimate salvation (Romans 2:6-8, James 2:24, Matthew 7:21, Matthew 25:26,30, Philippians 2:12b, Philippians 3:11-14; 2 Corinthians 5:9, Hebrews 5:9, Hebrews 6:10-12; 2 Peter 1:10-11, John 15:2a; 1 John 2:17b). For Christians must continue to do righteous deeds if they are to continue to be righteous (1 John 3:7, James 2:24,26). And there is no assurance that Christians will choose to do that, instead of wrongly employing their free will to become utterly lazy without repentance, to the ultimate loss of their salvation (Matthew 25:26,30, John 15:2a).

    Also, in the Bible, the difference between initial salvation and ultimate salvation is that initial salvation is the salvation which Christians have now (Ephesians 2:5), in their mortal bodies, while ultimate salvation is the salvation ready to be revealed in the last time (1 Peter 1:5), and which is always drawing nearer (Romans 13:11), that salvation which Christians are still hoping for (1 Thessalonians 5:8, Romans 8:23-25, Mark 10:30), and which Jesus Christ will bring to obedient Christians at His future, Second Coming (Hebrews 9:28, Hebrews 5:9), when He will resurrect (if dead) or change (if alive) their mortal physical bodies into immortal physical bodies just like the immortal physical body which Jesus obtained at His resurrection on the third day after His death (Luke 24:39,46; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4,21-23,51-53, Philippians 3:21, Romans 8:23-25, Philippians 3:11-14).

    Quote Originally Posted by DougE View Post
    Hebrews 3:6,12,14 is addressed to Jews who are under the law and covenant and must endure to the end to be saved to enter the Davidic kingdom on earth.
    Note that the book of Hebrews is about the Church (Hebrews 2:12, Hebrews 12:23), the body of Jesus Christ (Hebrews 13:3, cf. 1 Corinthians 12:25-27).

    That's why the book of Hebrews says that the BOC is not under the Mosaic law and covenant (Hebrews 7:18-19, Hebrews 8:6-7).

    Quote Originally Posted by DougE View Post
    Colossians 1:23 is saying that we need to continue in the faith to be holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight. This is not saying we lose salvation this is talking about our conduct being holy before God and being conformed to the image of Christ.
    Note that the one is required for the other, ultimately (Romans 2:6-8).

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougE View Post
    Romans 2:6-8 is speaking of the judgment of God....this is how he will judge those who have not placed faith in Christ.
    Note that it is also how He will judge real Christians (2 Corinthians 5:10-11).

    Quote Originally Posted by DougE View Post
    1 Thessalonians 1:3 does not even say if you don't do all this you are going to hell....Paul is giving thanks for their labours in God's sight.
    But note that Christian labours are required in order to be ultimately accepted by Jesus (2 Corinthians 5:9).

    Quote Originally Posted by DougE View Post
    Hebrews 10:26-29 is addressed to Jews under the covenant and undergoing persecution and considering reverting back to the Levitical sacrifices. . .
    Note again that the book of Hebrews is addressed to the Church (Hebrews 2:12, Hebrews 12:23), the body of Jesus Christ (Hebrews 13:3, cf. 1 Corinthians 12:25-27).

    Also, regarding Hebrews 10:26-29, see post #174 above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougE View Post
    Mark 16:16 The twelve were told to go into all the world and preach the gospel of the kingdom and to be saved to enter into the Davidic kingdom on earth. This is not the commission of the church today it was to the twelve.
    Note that it is (Acts 14:22)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougE View Post
    Romans 6:3-11 is baptism into Christ by the Spirit and those in Christ are to reckon themselves dead unto sin. This is not being baptized in water and is not the baptism of Mark 16:16 nor John's baptism, both of which were for Israel to be cleansed from sin to enter the kingdom.
    Actually, Romans 6:3-11 is about water baptism. And after Christians are figuratively buried with Jesus Christ in water-immersion (burial) baptism (Romans 6:3-4), they still must actually "walk" in newness of life (Romans 6:4), performing Christ's pure religion (James 1:27, Galatians 6:2).

    That is, in order to be saved ultimately, Christians must get water-immersion (burial) baptized into Jesus Christ's death for our sins (Mark 16:16; 1 Peter 3:21, Romans 6:3-11, Colossians 2:12, Galatians 3:27, Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16). If people believe with all of their heart that Jesus Christ is the human/divine Son of God (Acts 8:37), then they can get baptized anywhere there is water (Acts 8:36) into which they can be fully-immersed (buried) (Romans 6:3-11, Colossians 2:12). They need to make sure to be baptized in the name of God the Father; and of the Son, Jesus Christ; and of the Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19, Acts 2:38). Christians can get water-immersion baptized at, for example, a Baptist-type congregation.

    Besides getting water baptized, Christians can get Holy Spirit baptized (Acts 11:15-16, Acts 10:44-46). They usually have to ask to receive the Holy Spirit (Luke 11:13b) baptism, for it is usually not given to them automatically at the moment that they become Christians. That is why the apostle Paul at one point asked some Christians: "Have ye received the Holy Spirit since ye believed?" (Acts 19:2).

    Christians usually receive Holy Spirit baptism through prayer accompanied by the laying on of hands, subsequent to water baptism (Acts 8:15-17, Acts 19:5-6). Holy Spirit baptism will not result in the speaking in tongues for everyone (1 Corinthians 12:30), but for almost everyone, as tongues are one of the Spirit's lesser gifts (1 Corinthians 12:8-11,28; 1 Corinthians 14:5). Many Christians have not yet experienced Holy Spirit baptism simply because they have not yet asked for it, under the principle of: "ye have not, because ye ask not" (James 4:2b). Many Christians have not yet asked for it because they have come under the influence of mistaken teachings which say that it is no longer in effect. Christians can get hands laid on them to receive Holy Spirit baptism at any Pentecostal-type congregation, or at any charismatic-type congregation, which can be of almost any denomination.

    Quote Originally Posted by DougE View Post
    The communion in 1 Corinthians 11 is for the body of Christ. It is for the oneness of the body through the shed blood of Christ for our justification unto eternal life. It is not the Passover. The body of Christ is not placed under the new testament. Communion does not save us or keep us saved.
    Note that the BOC is placed under the New Testament (2 Corinthians 3:6), which includes Communion (1 Corinthians 11:25).

    For John 6:53-57 shows that all Christians, for their ultimate salvation, must eat the bread of Communion (Matthew 26:26), and drink the wine of Communion (Matthew 26:27-29), which actually become the body and blood of Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 11:27-30), in some spiritual manner (John 6:63).

    That is, "discerning the Lord's body" means that when Christians partake of Communion (1 Corinthians 11:23-29), they must discern that the bread and wine are the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ (John 6:53-56) in some spiritual manner (John 6:63), or they may suffer the consequences (1 Corinthians 11:30).

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougE View Post
    Matthew 6:14-15 Is the requirement for Israel under the covenant to forgive others to be forgiven. The body of Christ is already forgiven in Christ.
    Note that there is no dichotomy between Israel and the BOC (Romans 11:17).

    See post #81 above.

    Quote Originally Posted by DougE View Post
    Matthew 25:34-46 is when the Gentile nations are judged as to whether or not they enter the Davidic millennial kingdom on earth based on how they treated Israel in the tribulation.
    Regarding the sheep and goat judgment, Matthew 25:31 does not mean that Matthew 25:32-46 (just as 2 Peter 3:10a does not mean that 2 Peter 3:10b) will happen immediately at Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming, only that it will happen sometime subsequent to His Second Coming, at the Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11-15), which will not occur until after the future Millennium and subsequent events (Revelation 20:7-15).

    Matthew 25:32-46 refers to when the nations will be finally-judged by their works at the Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:12-13), whereas at Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming, which will occur before the Millennium, He will finally-judge only those in the Church (Psalms 50:3-5, cf. Mark 13:27; Matthew 25:19-30). Also, Matthew 25:41,46 refers to when non-Christians of all times, whether Jews or Gentiles, will be sent, at the Great White Throne Judgment, into the everlasting suffering of the lake of fire and brimstone (Revelation 20:15), whereas at the Second Coming only the future Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") and his False Prophet will be cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 19:20). The saved "sheep" at the sheep/goat judgment will include those people, whether Jews or Gentiles, who will become Christians during the future Millennium (Isaiah 66:19-21). Matthew 25:34 refers to obedient Christians inheriting the Kingdom of God the Father in New Jerusalem, the Father's house, on the future, New Earth (Revelation 21:1-7, John 14:2), as in a new surface for the earth.

    Quote Originally Posted by DougE View Post
    Revelation 3:5 Israel has to endure to the end of the tribulation and remain faithful to enter the kingdom.
    Note that the Church is being addressed there (Revelation 3:6), just as in Acts 14:22.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougE View Post
    Paul said in 1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel . . .
    Note that in 1 Corinthians 1:17, the apostle Paul was not contradicting his own teaching of the necessity of water-immersion (burial) baptism for ultimate salvation (Romans 6:3-11, Colossians 2:12, Galatians 3:27). He simply meant that God did not want him to spend his apostolic time personally baptizing everyone who became a Christian through his preaching. For any other people in the Church could do that for him (cf. John 4:2). For any Christian can baptize new Christians. Also, Paul did not want to personally baptize a lot of people, to avoid as much as possible any false charge that he baptized in his own name (1 Corinthians 1:14-15). The Bible does not say how many people Paul baptized, but it does show that he made sure that people got baptized, whether by himself or someone else, right away after their coming into faith in Jesus Christ through his preaching (Acts 16:14-15, Acts 16:33, Acts 18:8, Acts 19:5).

    See also post #47 above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bibleverse2 View Post
    Note that it's not either/or, but both/and (Revelation 5:9-10).
    Revelation 5 is NOT today!

    Quote Originally Posted by bibleverse2 View Post
    Note that Romans 1:16 was written by Paul to show that there is no distinction between Jew and Greek with regard to our salvation from hell under the one and only Gospel of Jesus Christ.
    I can only laugh at "the one and only" people.

    Quote Originally Posted by bibleverse2 View Post
    Also, regarding your reference to:

    Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
    Indeed... this clearly demonstrates that the body of Christ is a NEW creature and not simply a continuation of what came before.

    Quote Originally Posted by bibleverse2 View Post
    Note that there is, but only with regard to chronology; i.e. the Gospel was preached to Jews before it was preached to Gentiles (Luke 24:46-47).
    There are many gospels in the Bible.
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
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    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bibleverse2 View Post
    Amen, just as Jesus Christ Himself had preached (Luke 24:46-47).



    Note that the ideas of initial salvation and ultimate salvation do not have to be explicitly referred to in the Bible as "initial salvation" and "ultimate salvation" for them to be true and supported by the Bible, just as, for example, the ideas of the unity of God and the Trinity do not have to be explicitly referred to in the Bible as "the unity" and "the Trinity" for them to be true and supported by the Bible (John 10:30, John 1:1,14, Isaiah 45:5, Matthew 28:19, Acts 5:3-4).

    For in the Bible, the difference between initial salvation and ultimate salvation is that initial salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ without any works at all on our part (Romans 4:1-5, Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9), while other passages show that Christians must have both faith and continued works of faith (1 Thessalonians 1:3, Galatians 5:6b, Titus 3:8) (not works of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law), if they are to obtain ultimate salvation (Romans 2:6-8, James 2:24, Matthew 7:21, Matthew 25:26,30, Philippians 2:12b, Philippians 3:11-14; 2 Corinthians 5:9, Hebrews 5:9, Hebrews 6:10-12; 2 Peter 1:10-11, John 15:2a; 1 John 2:17b). For Christians must continue to do righteous deeds if they are to continue to be righteous (1 John 3:7, James 2:24,26). And there is no assurance that Christians will choose to do that, instead of wrongly employing their free will to become utterly lazy without repentance, to the ultimate loss of their salvation (Matthew 25:26,30, John 15:2a).

    Also, in the Bible, the difference between initial salvation and ultimate salvation is that initial salvation is the salvation which Christians have now (Ephesians 2:5), in their mortal bodies, while ultimate salvation is the salvation ready to be revealed in the last time (1 Peter 1:5), and which is always drawing nearer (Romans 13:11), that salvation which Christians are still hoping for (1 Thessalonians 5:8, Romans 8:23-25, Mark 10:30), and which Jesus Christ will bring to obedient Christians at His future, Second Coming (Hebrews 9:28, Hebrews 5:9), when He will resurrect (if dead) or change (if alive) their mortal physical bodies into immortal physical bodies just like the immortal physical body which Jesus obtained at His resurrection on the third day after His death (Luke 24:39,46; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4,21-23,51-53, Philippians 3:21, Romans 8:23-25, Philippians 3:11-14).



    Note that the book of Hebrews is about the Church (Hebrews 2:12, Hebrews 12:23), the body of Jesus Christ (Hebrews 13:3, cf. 1 Corinthians 12:25-27).

    That's why the book of Hebrews says that the BOC is not under the Mosaic law and covenant (Hebrews 7:18-19, Hebrews 8:6-7).



    Note that the one is required for the other, ultimately (Romans 2:6-8).

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    Note that it is also how He will judge real Christians (2 Corinthians 5:10-11).



    But note that Christian labours are required in order to be ultimately accepted by Jesus (2 Corinthians 5:9).



    Note again that the book of Hebrews is addressed to the Church (Hebrews 2:12, Hebrews 12:23), the body of Jesus Christ (Hebrews 13:3, cf. 1 Corinthians 12:25-27).

    Also, regarding Hebrews 10:26-29, see post #174 above.

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    Note that it is (Acts 14:22)
    Thanks for responding

    We upon believing the gospel and trusting in Christ and his redemption have eternal life we are justified (Romans 3:24) and is not dependent on us or our righteousness (Philippians 3:9)

    Luke 24:46-47 Jesus's death and resurrection was in prophecy and was not hidden. Jesus said this was for the new testament for Israel. verse 47 is about the gospel of the kingdom to be preached to the nations in the kingdom. Not being cute but if verse 47 is for us, we would have to start at Jerusalem to obey this verse.

    Hebrews 13:3 is speaking of the physical body
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    Revelation 5 is NOT today!
    But Revelation 5:9b-10 refers to people in today's BOC who will reign with Jesus Christ on the earth in the future, just as Revelation 2:26-29 and Revelation 20:4-6 refer to that.

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    I can only laugh at "the one and only" people.
    Be careful not to do that (Romans 11:18-32).

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    [Re: Galatians 3:28]

    .. this clearly demonstrates that the body of Christ is a NEW creature and not simply a continuation of what came before.
    Amen. For the BOC is under the NEW Covenant/Testament (2 Corinthians 3:6, Hebrews 12:24), which includes both Jews and Gentiles (1 Corinthians 12:13), just as was prophesied (Isaiah 49:6).

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    There are many gospels in the Bible.
    Note that there is only one (Galatians 1:6-9), as Paul makes clear even from the beginning of the book of Romans (Romans 1:1-17).

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    Thanks for responding
    You're welcome. Same to you.

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    We upon believing the gospel and trusting in Christ and his redemption have eternal life we are justified (Romans 3:24) and is not dependent on us or our righteousness (Philippians 3:9)
    Amen.

    But that is in regard only to initial justification, not ultimate justification (James 2:24, Romans 2:6-8, Hebrews 5:9).

    (See also post #140 above)

    Quote Originally Posted by DougE View Post
    Luke 24:46-47 Jesus's death and resurrection was in prophecy and was not hidden.
    Note that it was both (Luke 18:31-34; see verse 34).

    Quote Originally Posted by DougE View Post
    Jesus said this was for the new testament for Israel.
    Note that the New Testament is for the BOC (2 Corinthians 3:6), which is Israel (Romans 11:17).

    (See also post #81 above)

    Quote Originally Posted by DougE View Post
    [Luke 24] verse 47 is about the gospel of the kingdom to be preached to the nations in the kingdom.
    Note that Paul preached the gospel of the kingdom (Acts 14:22); he preached the same as Luke 24:46-47 (Acts 26:22-23).

    Quote Originally Posted by DougE View Post
    Not being cute but if [Luke 24] verse 47 is for us, we would have to start at Jerusalem to obey this verse.
    Note that the BOC already fulfilled that, such as through Peter's preaching in Jerusalem (Acts 2:14-47), which was subsequently followed by his being the first to preach the gospel to the Gentiles outside of Jerusalem (Acts 15:7, referring back to Acts chapters 10-11).

    Peter is part of the very foundation of the BOC (Ephesians 2:20).

    Quote Originally Posted by DougE View Post
    Hebrews 13:3 is speaking of the physical body
    Note that it is speaking of the BOC, the church (Hebrews 12:23, cf. Colossians 1:18).

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    Quote Originally Posted by bibleverse2 View Post
    But Revelation 5:9b-10 refers to people in today's BOC who will reign with Jesus Christ on the earth in the future, just as Revelation 2:26-29 and Revelation 20:4-6 refer to that.
    Nope... NONE of that refers to the BoC.

    Nobody in the BoC is a "king" or a "priest". Paul, the first member of the BoC, never uses the word "priest" in ANY of this 13 epistles.

    Quote Originally Posted by bibleverse2 View Post
    Be careful not to do that (Romans 11:18-32).
    We all enjoy out of context scripture.... NOT!

    Quote Originally Posted by bibleverse2 View Post
    Amen. For the BOC is under the NEW Covenant/Testament (2 Corinthians 3:6, Hebrews 12:24), which includes both Jews and Gentiles (1 Corinthians 12:13), just as was prophesied (Isaiah 49:6).
    Scripture CLEARLY and REPEATEDLY states the new COVENANT is between God and ISRAEL.

    Jer 31:31-33 KJV Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: (32) Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: (33) But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

    Heb 8:8-10 KJV For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: (9) Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. (10) For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

    So simple and so clear... completely unambiguous.

    Quote Originally Posted by bibleverse2 View Post
    Note that there is only one (Galatians 1:6-9), as Paul makes clear even from the beginning of the book of Romans (Romans 1:1-17).
    The word "gospel" has a simple meaning. But Churchianity worships the word.

    There are many gospels in the Bible, whether you believe it or not.
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    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bibleverse2 View Post
    You're welcome. Same to you.



    Amen.

    But that is in regard only to initial justification, not ultimate justification (James 2:24, Romans 2:6-8, Hebrews 5:9).

    (See also post #140 above)



    Note that it was both (Luke 18:31-34; see verse 34).



    Note that the New Testament is for the BOC (2 Corinthians 3:6), which is Israel (Romans 11:17).

    (See also post #81 above)



    Note that Paul preached the gospel of the kingdom (Acts 14:22); he preached the same as Luke 24:46-47 (Acts 26:22-23).



    Note that the BOC already fulfilled that, such as through Peter's preaching in Jerusalem (Acts 2:14-47), which was subsequently followed by his being the first to preach the gospel to the Gentiles outside of Jerusalem (Acts 15:7, referring back to Acts chapters 10-11).

    Peter is part of the very foundation of the BOC (Ephesians 2:20).



    Note that it is speaking of the BOC, the church (Hebrews 12:23, cf. Colossians 1:18).
    You said
    But that is in regard only to initial justification, not ultimate justification (James 2:24, Romans 2:6-8, Hebrews 5:9).

    All I can say is you are mixing verses meant for Israel with verses meant for the body of Christ.
    Israel is under a covenant and had to be righteous to enter the earthly kingdom (James 2:24 Hebrews 5:9).

    Christ did all that was necessary to save us.

    I don't know what else to say, you can chose what you believe.

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