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    The false doctrine of the immortality of the soul (or State of the Dead).

    One of the most deceptive doctrines of Satan is the doctrine of the immortality of the soul. This doctrine more than any other opens the door to spurious views regarding the afterlife, and it has permeated the religious world with its false promises and claims. Moreover, it offers false promises of ways other than Christ, that can be made in terms of one’s salvation. Communication with evil spirits, reincarnation and necromancy or the worship and consulting of the dead are some the things which come in because of this doctrine. The Bible is clear to stay away from these things rooted in a false perception of death. It has deceived many to believe that when we die, we have a separate "soul" that continues to live on. Those who are bad go to "hell" and the good go to heaven, so what need do they have of Christ. This belief came from the Pagan world and Greek philosophy, not the Bible. So what is the truth? Take a look at how we were created:

    Genesis 2:7 ...'And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul'

    Now according to the popular belief today, we are a soul that lives on after we are dead. But can you see the truth in the above Bible verse? Man BECAME a "living soul" with the breath of God (spirit) in him. So what will happen when that breath of God (spirit) goes out? ... Genesis 3:19 ...' In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.'

    We have the breath of God that keeps us alive and makes us "LIVING SOULS". But without that breath of God in us, we become dust or break down to the most basic elements. We were not given a soul, we are living souls while we are alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobie View Post
    One of the most deceptive doctrines of Satan is the doctrine of the immortality of the soul. This doctrine more than any other opens the door to spurious views regarding the afterlife, and it has permeated the religious world with its false promises and claims. Moreover, it offers false promises of ways other than Christ, that can be made in terms of one’s salvation.

    The human soul is immortal - that's Biblical!

    Psalm 22:26; 23:6; 49:7-9; Ecclesiastes 12:7; Daniel 12:2-3; Matthew 25:46; and 1 Corinthians 15:12-19. Daniel 12:2


    Communication with evil spirits, reincarnation and necromancy or the worship and consulting of the dead are some the things which come in because of this doctrine. The Bible is clear to stay away from these things rooted in a false perception of death.
    Necromancy also include divinations and sorcery. We are forbidden because those practices involve the devil. You end up dealing with evil spirits! We have to rely on God for information.


    It has deceived many to believe that when we die, we have a separate "soul" that continues to live on. Those who are bad go to "hell" and the good go to heaven, so what need do they have of Christ.
    As shown, the soul being immortal is biblical.
    Those who are "bad" are those who have not accepted Jesus Christ. They are the non-believers.

    That's why Jesus died for our sins that we may have that opportunity to eternal life.



    This belief came from the Pagan world and Greek philosophy, not the Bible. So what is the truth? Take a look at how we were created:

    Genesis 2:7 ...'And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul'

    Now according to the popular belief today, we are a soul that lives on after we are dead. But can you see the truth in the above Bible verse? Man BECAME a "living soul" with the breath of God (spirit) in him. So what will happen when that breath of God (spirit) goes out? ... Genesis 3:19 ...' In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.'
    That describes our physical body. Didn't God form man out of dust?
    When the body dies, the soul of the person lives on.


    We have the breath of God that keeps us alive and makes us "LIVING SOULS". But without that breath of God in us, we become dust or break down to the most basic elements. We were not given a soul, we are living souls while we are alive.
    It is the physical body that dies - the soul is immortal - and that is supported by numerous verses in the Scriptures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by betsy123 View Post
    The human soul is immortal - that's Biblical!

    Psalm 22:26; 23:6; 49:7-9; Ecclesiastes 12:7; Daniel 12:2-3; Matthew 25:46; and 1 Corinthians 15:12-19. Daniel 12:2




    Necromancy also include divinations and sorcery. We are forbidden because those practices involve the devil. You end up dealing with evil spirits! We have to rely on God for information.




    As shown, the soul being immortal is biblical.
    Those who are "bad" are those who have not accepted Jesus Christ. They are the non-believers.

    That's why Jesus died for our sins that we may have that opportunity to eternal life.





    That describes our physical body. Didn't God form man out of dust?
    When the body dies, the soul of the person lives on.




    It is the physical body that dies - the soul is immortal - and that is supported by numerous verses in the Scriptures.
    Then why do you need Christ if you are immortal, that's not biblical. The text of Genesis 2:7 clearly states that God breathed into the formed man the "breath of life" and man became a living soul. He did not receive a living soul; he became one. The New King James Bible states that "man became a living being". Of the many references to soul and spirit in the Bible, never once is either the soul or the Spirit declared to be immortal, imperishable or eternal. Indeed only God has immortality its clear.

    1 Timothy 1:17 King James Version (KJV)
    17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

    1 Timothy 6:16 King James Version (KJV)
    16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobie View Post
    One of the most deceptive doctrines of Satan is the doctrine of the immortality of the soul. This doctrine more than any other opens the door to spurious views regarding the afterlife, and it has permeated the religious world with its false promises and claims. Moreover, it offers false promises of ways other than Christ, that can be made in terms of one’s salvation. Communication with evil spirits, reincarnation and necromancy or the worship and consulting of the dead are some the things which come in because of this doctrine. The Bible is clear to stay away from these things rooted in a false perception of death. It has deceived many to believe that when we die, we have a separate "soul" that continues to live on. Those who are bad go to "hell" and the good go to heaven, so what need do they have of Christ. This belief came from the Pagan world and Greek philosophy, not the Bible. So what is the truth? Take a look at how we were created:

    Genesis 2:7 ...'And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul'

    Now according to the popular belief today, we are a soul that lives on after we are dead. But can you see the truth in the above Bible verse? Man BECAME a "living soul" with the breath of God (spirit) in him. So what will happen when that breath of God (spirit) goes out? ... Genesis 3:19 ...' In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.'

    We have the breath of God that keeps us alive and makes us "LIVING SOULS". But without that breath of God in us, we become dust or break down to the most basic elements. We were not given a soul, we are living souls while we are alive.
    Yea that's true for you, how a man thinks determines his mentally. Christ's the unborn light never goes out except for becoming aa a weak man who is a mortal persona asleep in ignorance of his own I AM being Christ, 2 Timothy 2:13. Your religion has taught you to look outwardly for Luke 17:20, Matt 11:11, Luke 17:21, 1 Corinthians 3:16. your definitely thinking like a mortal man who is versed in dead letter impossibilities even God can't overcome, Ephesians 5:14, John 1:9.

    Cast your net on the right side, John 21:6, your left brained thoughts will never discerns the spiritual symbolism of the scriptures stories Galatians 4:24.
    Trying to awaken the divine principle in the belly of the fish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobie View Post
    One of the most deceptive doctrines of Satan is the doctrine of the immortality of the soul.........
    Ohh... ..I am very disappointed. You were so right in the other thread about Once Saved Always Saved being a false doctrine. But here you are dead wrong.

    Our souls are immortal - they shall never die. We will either spend eternity in God's presence or separated from God. That is our choice while we are still here on earth.

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    The Spirit is immortal, the Body and Soul are not.

    The Soul can be destroyed...

    Matthew 10:28
    "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell"


    Either way, the Spirit ultimately returns to God...

    Ecclesiastes 12:7
    "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Base12 View Post
    The Spirit is immortal, the Body and Soul are not.

    The Soul can be destroyed...

    Matthew 10:28
    "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell"


    Either way, the Spirit ultimately returns to God...

    Ecclesiastes 12:7
    "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it"

    In man, spirit and soul are one. "Soul" is the life-giving force. Animals have souls, and their souls do cease when they die. But since man's spirit and soul are one, it is grammatically acceptable to use either word.

    QUOTE:

    365 The unity of soul and body is so profound that one has to consider the soul to be the "form" of the body:234 i.e., it is because of its spiritual soul that the body made of matter becomes a living, human body; spirit and matter, in man, are not two natures united, but rather their union forms a single nature.

    366 The Church teaches that every spiritual soul is created immediately by God - it is not "produced" by the parents - and also that it is immortal: it does not perish when it separates from the body at death, and it will be reunited with the body at the final Resurrection.235

    367 Sometimes the soul is distinguished from the spirit: St. Paul for instance prays that God may sanctify his people "wholly", with "spirit and soul and body" kept sound and blameless at the Lord's coming.236 The Church teaches that this distinction does not introduce a duality into the soul.237 "Spirit" signifies that from creation man is ordered to a supernatural end and that his soul can gratuitously be raised beyond all it deserves to communion with God.238

    368 The spiritual tradition of the Church also emphasizes the heart, in the biblical sense of the depths of one's being, where the person decides for or against God.239


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    Quote Originally Posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
    In man, spirit and soul are one.
    I am of the belief that Body, Soul and Spirit are three separate and distinct entities...

    1 Thessalonians 5:23
    "And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ"

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    Quote Originally Posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
    Ohh... ..I am very disappointed. You were so right in the other thread about Once Saved Always Saved being a false doctrine. But here you are dead wrong.

    Our souls are immortal - they shall never die. We will either spend eternity in God's presence or separated from God. That is our choice while we are still here on earth.

    If we accept that humans live forever, this would mean that God was not truthful when He spoke to Adam and Eve in the Garden...

    And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die” (Genesis 2:16,17).

    All through the Bible it tells us about the Second Coming of Christ, and that He is the one who will resurrect those saints in the ground. Look at this text in Isaiah, we are given a remarkable prophecy concerning the second coming of Christ Jesus and the doctrine of what happens when we die:

    Isaiah 26:19 ...'Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.'

    It shows where we dwell until the second coming of Christ Jesus,in the grave, waiting the resurrection, and there is text after text...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeke View Post
    Yea that's true for you, how a man thinks determines his mentally. Christ's the unborn light never goes out except for becoming aa a weak man who is a mortal persona asleep in ignorance of his own I AM being Christ, 2 Timothy 2:13. Your religion has taught you to look outwardly for Luke 17:20, Matt 11:11, Luke 17:21, 1 Corinthians 3:16. your definitely thinking like a mortal man who is versed in dead letter impossibilities even God can't overcome, Ephesians 5:14, John 1:9.

    Cast your net on the right side, John 21:6, your left brained thoughts will never discerns the spiritual symbolism of the scriptures stories Galatians 4:24.
    Then why the judgement, we have nothing of self to make us immortal, it is God who decides. Take a look, man and beast have one breath, they also die the same way.

    For that which befalleth the sons of men, befalleth beasts; ... as the one dieth, so dieth the other. Ecclesiastes 3:19.

    Both man and animals were created from dust. So, when they die they then return again to dust; just the reverse of creation.

    ...for dust thou art and unto dust shalt thou return. Genesis 3:19

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobie View Post
    Then why do you need Christ if you are immortal,
    ....so I won't be immortal in hell!

    I suppose you don't believe in eternal punishment too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobie View Post
    If we accept that humans live forever, this would mean that God was not truthful when He spoke to Adam and Eve in the Garden...

    And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die” (Genesis 2:16,17)....

    Not at all. Its a matter of how you are interpreting those words. They DID eat the fruit and they still lived, didn't they. So obviously God meant something else.

    In his various commentaries on Genesis, Dr. Scott Hahn returns often to this theme. He explains the divine admonition to Adam and Eve in Genesis 2:17 (“On the day you eat thereof you shall surely die”) as follows:

    I should point out an oddity in the Hebrew text of Genesis. The passage translated above as “you shall die” does not accurately represent the original. The Hebrew actually repeats the word die, so that it reads “you shall die die.” Now, in Hebrew, repetition serves to intensify a word (to make it “more” or “surely”); but it seems odd for us to find a repetition of the word die. After all, you can’t get any deader than dead. What could this mean? The greatest of the ancient Jewish commentators, Philo of Alexandria, explained that there are two types of death: the death of the body and the death of the soul. “The death of the man is the separation of the soul from the body,” he wrote. “But the death of the soul is the decay of virtue and the bringing in of wickedness. It is for this reason that God says not only ‘die’ but ‘die the death,’ indicating not the death common to us all, but that special death, which is that of the soul becoming entombed in passions and wickedness of all kinds.

    The inescapable fact is that we all deserve death as the punishment for sin, but Jesus endured this punishment on our behalf to free us from such a fate. “By death he conquered death,” we say, but moreso than the overcoming of physical death, Christ’s death and resurrection made it possible for us to escape the eternal death of hell. But the eternal death of hell does await us, as Jesus promised so many time, if we do not repent.


    Quote Originally Posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
    In man, spirit and soul are one. "Soul" is the life-giving force. Animals have souls, and their souls do cease when they die. But since man's spirit and soul are one, it is grammatically acceptable to use either word.

    QUOTE:

    365 The unity of soul and body is so profound that one has to consider the soul to be the "form" of the body:234 i.e., it is because of its spiritual soul that the body made of matter becomes a living, human body; spirit and matter, in man, are not two natures united, but rather their union forms a single nature.

    366 The Church teaches that every spiritual soul is created immediately by God - it is not "produced" by the parents - and also that it is immortal: it does not perish when it separates from the body at death, and it will be reunited with the body at the final Resurrection.235

    367 Sometimes the soul is distinguished from the spirit: St. Paul for instance prays that God may sanctify his people "wholly", with "spirit and soul and body" kept sound and blameless at the Lord's coming.236 The Church teaches that this distinction does not introduce a duality into the soul.237 "Spirit" signifies that from creation man is ordered to a supernatural end and that his soul can gratuitously be raised beyond all it deserves to communion with God.238

    368 The spiritual tradition of the Church also emphasizes the heart, in the biblical sense of the depths of one's being, where the person decides for or against God.239


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    Quote Originally Posted by Base12 View Post
    I am of the belief that Body, Soul and Spirit are three separate and distinct entities...

    1 Thessalonians 5:23
    "And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ"

    I did quote that scripture in my previous post.

    Since the soul is the animating force, and since your spirit lives forever, then your soul is still the spirit's lifeiving force, and since "spirits" do not have "parts" as it were, soul and spirit in man are one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobie View Post
    Then why the judgement, we have nothing of self to make us immortal, it is God who decides. Take a look, man and beast have one breath, they also die the same way.

    For that which befalleth the sons of men, befalleth beasts; ... as the one dieth, so dieth the other. Ecclesiastes 3:19.

    Both man and animals were created from dust. So, when they die they then return again to dust; just the reverse of creation.

    ...for dust thou art and unto dust shalt thou return. Genesis 3:19
    Galatians 4:1, as a man thinks while dead to spiritual thoughts that transcends the earthly mans logic and rationality, his mortal veil of servitude to the limitations of that mental state as a man.
    Ecclesiastical wisdom is not heavenly wisdom, its more inline with Johns Outlook as a great man yet missing the inward application of Christ being mans I AM 2 Corinthians 13:5, the mystery beyond man's comprehension Matt 11:11 about being God's dwelling Acts 17:24..
    Trying to awaken the divine principle in the belly of the fish.

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    You need to first understand the Jewish concept of a soul back in the days when the Bible was written. Jews in majority (especially Hebrew speakers) back then adapted the Pharisaic concept that soul is the immortal part of a person. The Essenes adapted the same concept but it's rejected by the Sadducees.

    The next will be the reasoning why an immortal soul is needed. It's all about valid witnessing. If you committed a crime then disappeared for 10 years and then come back with a complete different body, different finger print, different DNA, then who can tell that you are the same person who committed the crime? "Only God knows" is not always a good witnessing (in the case of Jesus sometimes it stands as a valid witnessing though). Planet earth is actually a place for a valid witnessing to stand such that each and every human can be judged openly in the final Judgment Day.

    Another example is, you committed a crime and somehow died, only few know this. Someone then cloned you to stand trial and you are now jailed for a life imprisonment. Is it a fair judgment? This can be said the same in the case of the Resurrection and Judgment. That's why and how a soul is needed to stand valid witnessing on identifying each and every person such that whatever you did on day 1 can be tracked back billion years later in an eternity.

    That being said. A soul is the real you, while your physical body is just a replica residing in this material space. At the point of your death, your soul will start to take over to represent the real you. It's resided in an adjacent space the Jews reckoned as Sheol or Hades in Greek. A human is designed to live in stages. Earth is more like a stage 1 of an eternity. That's why other than a soul you need something which is stage dependent. It's the spirit which does the job. The spirit carries something such as your earthly emotions and affections till the point of your death.

    At the point of your death, the spirit leaves you, it's said to have returned to God. At the same time it means that, after your death you (your soul) will no longer have the same love for your parents or children. It's analog to your ex boyfriends or girlfriends, you still have memories about them, but your love for them is gone.


    Thus you have a soul, a spirit, and a body which serves as an image for other humans to reckon you as you. Entities other than physical humans can reckon who you are through your soul instead of your body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobie View Post
    Take a look, man and beast have one breath, they also die the same way.

    Nope. We're not talking about the physical here.

    God didn't breathe life in animal's nostrils the way He did with man.


    Genesis 2:7
    “And the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living soul.”



    It's that breath that has made man a living SOUL.

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