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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    By focusing on many different issues at once rather than the singular issue of impeachment, Democrats have the chance to do three things:

    They focus on the discovery of facts rather than arguments over consequences: “What wrongs did Trump do?” rather than “Is removal the right remedy for these wrongs?”
    Right, an updated HR 803 ("Resolution providing appropriate power to the Committee on the Judiciary to conduct an investigation of whether sufficient grounds exist to impeach Richard M. Nixon, President of the United States.")

    They liberate their presidential candidates to campaign on the bread-and-butter issues that will mobilize and motivate less-committed voters, rather than obliging them to opine on the big existential question of impeachment and removal.
    This is where I'd be concerned about how and why political expediency, and while I see the reasons to get the timing right, it's frustrating to a lot of people that at this rate they run a real chance of missing the wave.

    They reserve the impeachment remedy for the very genuine possibility of a Trump second term, by which time the Senate will likely have shifted more in the Democrats’ direction.
    By which time it'll be too late. IMO.

    Trump outrages the sense of justice.
    This is it in a nutshell. And not only am I outraged, I'm astounded at how he's managed to get so many conservatives to sell their souls for a chance to hold onto their social majority.

    Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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    What I don't get is that so many conservatives seem unaware of the amount of damage that Trump is doing to their brand.

    The principled ideological conservatives are beginning to leave the ship.

    However, impeachment will fail as long as amoral politicians like McConnell and Graham are in the Senate. So it's probably best to let the drum roll of scandals run on. And if there's no impeachment, then Trump can't claim double jeopardy when he's indicted after leaving office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    May 27, 2019
    Robert Mueller: Dishonest, deceptive and diabolical
    By Patricia McCarthy

    It will be interesting to see if any of the plotters has a sense of decency and expresses profound regret for his part in this obscene project. On this Memorial Day weekend, it would be wise for them to remember how this nation survived as long as it has. We owe our safety and security to the untold thousands of great men and women who have died to protect and preserve it.
    None of them had bone spurs, you know. Mueller joined the Marines and volunteered for Vietnam, doing his duty bravely and well, and was wounded in action.

    Those guys who found ways to dodge the draft, aren't fit to shine Mueller's shoes.

    These scoundrels, Mueller, Comey, Brennan, Clapper, and the rest of them, have dishonored their service and sacrifice.
    I suppose some people think of putting one's life on the line for one's country is being a sucker.

    President Donald Trump in a televised interview Wednesday said he would have liked to have served in the U.S. military but not during the height of fighting in Vietnam because “I was never a fan of that war.”
    https://www.militarytimes.com/news/p...uring-vietnam/
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    What I don't get is that so many conservatives seem unaware of the amount of damage that Trump is doing to their brand.
    I'm done with giving them the benefit of the doubt. They know what they voted for, and they like him that way. How do you fix that?

    The principled ideological conservatives are beginning to leave the ship.
    They could've swum halfway across the ocean by now if they'd jumped when they should have.

    However, impeachment will fail as long as amoral politicians like McConnell and Graham are in the Senate. So it's probably best to let the drum roll of scandals run on. And if there's no impeachment, then Trump can't claim double jeopardy when he's indicted after leaving office.
    The House should impeach regardless of whether they'll get a conviction in the Senate. I want the hearings made public and the history books to show he was impeached.

    Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    The House should impeach regardless of whether they'll get a conviction in the Senate. I want the hearings made public and the history books to show he was impeached.
    works for me

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    Trump Filling the Swamp
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    Instead of draining it. According to new data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, “The number of people employed by the federal government rose from 2,811,000 in April to 2,815,000 in May, an increase of 4,000 that put the number of federal workers at the highest level since President Barack Obama left office.”
    The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    None of them had bone spurs, you know. Mueller joined the Marines and volunteered for Vietnam, doing his duty bravely and well, and was wounded in action.

    Those guys who found ways to dodge the draft, aren't fit to shine Mueller's shoes.



    I suppose some people think of putting one's life on the line for one's country is being a sucker.

    President Donald Trump in a televised interview Wednesday said he would have liked to have served in the U.S. military but not during the height of fighting in Vietnam because “I was never a fan of that war.”
    https://www.militarytimes.com/news/p...uring-vietnam/
    He voluteered for Vietnam? And I'm supposed to be impressed?
    The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    Trump Filling the Swamp
    Laurence M. Vance


    Instead of draining it. According to new data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, “The number of people employed by the federal government rose from 2,811,000 in April to 2,815,000 in May, an increase of 4,000 that put the number of federal workers at the highest level since President Barack Obama left office.”
    I thought the GOP policy was for less government. I suppose their plan involves aiming for less IQ and integrity.
    _/\_

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    Quote Originally Posted by quip View Post
    I thought the GOP was for for less government.
    Whatever gave you that idea?
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    The GOP.
    _/\_

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    Quote Originally Posted by quip View Post
    The GOP.
    Not by any of their actions...say for the past 160 years..
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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    He voluteered for Vietnam? And I'm supposed to be impressed?
    Not everyone thinks being willing to put one's self in harm's way for America is an honorable thing. Vietnam was a mistake. I knew it when I was called up. But I had no honorable way of avoiding it.

    Mueller was willing to die for America. That puts him way ahead of anyone who isn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Not everyone thinks being willing to put one's self in harm's way for America is an honorable thing. Vietnam was a mistake. I knew it when I was called up. But I had no honorable way of avoiding it.

    Mueller was willing to die for America. That puts him way ahead of anyone who isn't.
    America and the US Constitution are not the same..
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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    America and the US Constitution are not the same..
    So Trump has said. However, for most of us, it is.

    Mueller and I, for example, swore to obey lawful orders to protect and defend the Constitution, and were willing die, if necessary to do that. Some others thought that was foolish.

    No accounting for that kind of thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    So Trump has said. However, for most of us, it is. Without the Constitution, America is just another state. I'm not an American exceptionalist, but you have to admit that few, if any nations have a better charter of rights.

    Mueller and I, for example, swore to obey lawful orders to protect and defend the Constitution, and were willing die, if necessary to do that. Some others thought that was foolish.

    No accounting for that kind of thinking.
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