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    Let's break down the the numbers a little. I don't know how much twitter and facebook charge for ads, but let's say the Russians spent $1000 per ad. They bought a total of 350 ads. If the ads cost anywhere from $2000 to $5000 each then they bought anywhere from 175 down to 75 ads. Big blocks of advertising isn't it? A real serious effort to influence an election wouldn't you say? That this is the total effort from a nation run by an ex-KGB colonel who knows how to run propaganda campaigns it is pretty pitiful. And to think that the leftists in this country are screaming that the sky is falling from Russian "interference" in our elections is hilarious.
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    One other observation on the subject of Russian "interference". Have you noticed the irrationality in the entire behavior of the left on this subject? They want open borders so anyone can come here at any time and do anything they want. The left has conniptions when Trump exports child molesters who are here illegally. At the same time they are screaming about the Russians coming here and buying a pitifully few ads in a half-hearted, if even that much, attempt to affect the election. Isn't that completely opposed to the idea of having the borders wide open so anyone can come here and vote in our elections? It's the violation of the law of non-contradiction meaning they are completely irrational. And they prove it almost every day with what they do. They have been repeating this behavior daily for years.

    And they want to be in charge of the country? I would say their behavior excludes them from being fit to run the country as they are deeply irrational.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ff
    I would say their behavior excludes them from being fit to run the country as they are deeply irrational.

    You nailed it

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffreeloader View Post
    One other observation on the subject of Russian "interference". Have you noticed the irrationality in the entire behavior of the left on this subject?
    No. What's irrational about finding Russian interference in our election process objectionable?

    They want open borders so anyone can come here at any time and do anything they want.
    No, that's largely untrue. I say largely because you can find someone who'll take just about any position you can think of, but the truth is that most of the Democrats proposing open borders aren't actually proposing what you set out there. Their aim is to decriminalize the process, not to remove any consideration of people crossing the borders. On the "anything they want" bit you confuse them with libertarians.

    The left has conniptions when Trump exports child molesters who are here illegally.
    No, no one on the left has argued against the expulsion of anyone because they were a child molester.

    At the same time they are screaming about the Russians coming here and buying a pitifully few ads in a half-hearted, if even that much, attempt to affect the election.
    Any attempt to impact our electoral process should concern all of us. Mischaracterizing the nature of that attempt only brings your motives and affiliations into question.

    Isn't that completely opposed to the idea of having the borders wide open so anyone can come here and vote in our elections?
    Which isn't a proposition you're finding among the leaders of the liberal side of this.

    It's the violation of the law of non-contradiction meaning they are completely irrational.
    Rather, it's an illustration of what you are willing to believe and declare without foundation and where you are willing to take that as conclusions go.

    And they want to be in charge of the country?
    They have been, during some of the most prosperous days of the republic.

    I would say their behavior excludes them from being fit to run the country as they are deeply irrational.
    But then, what wouldn't you be willing to say or permit to achieve your political ends?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    No. What's irrational about finding Russian interference in our election process objectionable?
    It was Facebook ads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ffreeloader View Post
    One other observation on the subject of Russian "interference". Have you noticed the irrationality in the entire behavior of the left on this subject?

    Not irrational so much as hypocritical

    They are perfectly happy with the fact that foreign nationals stumped for Hillary in Florida, for example

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    Not irrational so much as hypocritical

    They are perfectly happy with the fact that foreign nationals stumped for Hillary in Florida, for example
    Hypocrisy is a violation of the law of non-contradiction for the hypocrite says he thinks one way when in fact he thinks another way. It's the holding of two ideas that are mutually exclusive. The left constantly says they want non-citizens to vote. Their leader push this philosophy on a daily basis. They do everything they can to encourage illegal aliens to vote including registering illegals knowing they are illegals. They run ads telling illegals that it is a good thing if they vote in our elections. Yet they say that the Russians are trying to corrupt our elections when they try to influence the elections. What's the difference between a Russian and Latino from South America? Nothing besides ethnicity. Their citizenship status is exactly alike. Yet the left screams about anyone saying we need to deport non-citizens, or that the non-citizens shouldn't vote. What's the difference between a Russian and a illegal alien affecting our elections? There is no difference. Thus their arguments are irrational because, according to them, non-citizens must and must not affect our elections.

    The position you and I hold is that no non-citizen must be able to affect our elections. It is thus coherent and rational.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ffreeloader View Post
    The left constantly says they want non-citizens to vote.
    Almost no one says that, let along some unified voice of the left. I have heard it advanced though. Read an article the other day on it that noted early in American life it wasn't citizenship that determined your right to vote, but your race, gender and property. That women and others were denied the vote, though they were citizens. Citizenship was largely a limiter on who could assume office, if that.

    In fact, the S.Ct. once held, in Minor v. Happersett, 88 US 162 (1875) that, "citizenship has not in all cases been made a condition precedent to the enjoyment of the right of suffrage. Thus, in Missouri, persons of foreign birth, who have declared their intention to become citizens of the United States, may under certain circumstances vote."

    It's an old idea and one with history that wasn't stridently attacked until the turn of the last century. My current state of residence, Alabama, was among the first to process an anti-immigrant feeling into laws denying the non-citizen the vote (so if you like the idea you can blame the Irish), in 1901. It wasn't until the late 20s that no foreigner was allowed to cast a vote anywhere in the U.S.

    Their leader push this philosophy on a daily basis. They do everything they can to encourage illegal aliens to vote including registering illegals knowing they are illegals. They run ads telling illegals that it is a good thing if they vote in our elections. Yet they say that the Russians are trying to corrupt our elections when they try to influence the elections. What's the difference between a Russian and Latino from South America?
    The Russians don't live here, pay taxes, produce goods and provide services, aren't impacted by the success of our enterprise and could benefit from its failure. . . So, a lot of important differences, when you consider it.

    Nothing besides ethnicity. Their citizenship status is exactly alike.
    No, supra.

    Yet the left screams about anyone saying we need to deport non-citizens, or that the non-citizens shouldn't vote.
    Again neither of those statements is actually true except among some on the left, though you can make arguments for both propositions.

    What's the difference between a Russian and a illegal alien affecting our elections?
    Asked and answered.

    There is no difference.
    Wrong again then, supra.

    Thus their arguments are irrational because, according to them, non-citizens must and must not affect our elections.
    And again, no. The argument first isn't being advanced by the left, but by some and those advancing it understand the distinction that you do not and which was set out prior, but to be generous on the point: there are fundamental differences between individuals working, living, contributing, and being impacted by laws here having a voice in those laws and an alien nation, a government, outside of out boundaries, with an arguable interest in undermining our efforts and success as a nation, trying to influence our laws and leadership.

    They're so fundamentally different that it's staggering you haven't seen it...or perhaps you simply never thought about it seriously enough.

    The position you and I hold is that no non-citizen must be able to affect our elections.
    And you're entitled to it, even though, historically, many did for a very long period of national success and advancement.

    It is thus coherent and rational.
    As is a contrary position, when and if you really think about it, no matter what your ultimate conclusion on the better course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ffreeloader View Post
    Hypocrisy is a violation of the law of non-contradiction for the hypocrite says he thinks one way when in fact he thinks another way. It's the holding of two ideas that are mutually exclusive. The left constantly says they want non-citizens to vote. Their leader push this philosophy on a daily basis. They do everything they can to encourage illegal aliens to vote including registering illegals knowing they are illegals. They run ads telling illegals that it is a good thing if they vote in our elections. Yet they say that the Russians are trying to corrupt our elections when they try to influence the elections. What's the difference between a Russian and Latino from South America? Nothing besides ethnicity. Their citizenship status is exactly alike. Yet the left screams about anyone saying we need to deport non-citizens, or that the non-citizens shouldn't vote. What's the difference between a Russian and a illegal alien affecting our elections? There is no difference. Thus their arguments are irrational because, according to them, non-citizens must and must not affect our elections.

    The position you and I hold is that no non-citizen must be able to affect our elections. It is thus coherent and rational.
    Nailed it again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Looks like you're giving up on thoughts of impeachment and just thrashing about in anger, giving vent to your uncontrollable feelings about the president and those who support him

    How embarrassing it must be for you, not to be able to control those feelings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    So, 143 days left in the year

    Shall we start a countdown?
    140 days left until Nadler decides whether or not to vote on whether or not to impeach


    Or not - Nadler left himself some wiggle room - end of the year was, apparently, a moving target to mollify the insane leftists demanding impeachment

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    Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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    Meanwhile, Nadler's keeping your hopes alive, even though he knows (as do you) that the only way trump will be impeached is after his re-election, IF the dems take the Senate and keep the house

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