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    Quote Originally Posted by betsy123 View Post
    Nothing is impossible with God.
    I disagree with this statement to the extent that it is taken out of context. But that's a topic for another thread.

    and He says He and His Son are One and the Same
    Scripture does not say this.

    Jesus said the He and the Father are one, to be sure. But He did NOT say that He and the Father are the same. Don't fall into the same trap GT has fallen into.

    Yes, "one" can mean the same.

    But is one crowd of people the same person? or is it multiple individuals?

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    And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. -- John 17:5

    God shares His Glory with NO ONE. Jesus MUST be: GOD!!!
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    Greetings again betsy123,
    Quote Originally Posted by betsy123 View Post
    We can't really fully describe the Trinity.
    I don't think THE WORD is a SEPARATE PERSON - even if they are all in One - otherwise, we're worshipping two or three separate Gods.
    Quote Originally Posted by betsy123 View Post
    Nothing is impossible with God.
    If God says Jesus is His only begotten Son - conceived by and borne to a virgin - and He says He and His Son are One and the Same - who can argue with that?
    What we do know is that, Jesus (God in the flesh) was human. How do we know that? THE SCRIPTURES!
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    No. I believe Jesus is GOD HIMSELF, who came to us as a human.
    I appreciate your three replies, but I cannot accept the Trinity.

    Kind regards
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrevorL View Post
    Greetings again betsy123, I appreciate your three replies, but I cannot accept the Trinity.

    Kind regards
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    That's your problem....it's true whether you accept it or not.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
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    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrevorL View Post
    Greetings again betsy123, I appreciate your three replies, but I cannot accept the Trinity.

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    I accept the Trinity in a particular way. You don't have to accept it every way that you hear it. Compare what you hear to Scripture.

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    Greetings Right Divider and Jacob,
    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    That's your problem....it's true whether you accept it or not.
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    I accept the Trinity in a particular way. You don't have to accept it every way that you hear it. Compare what you hear to Scripture.
    No, I do not believe that it is true. I have participated in many threads on this subject and do not see the benefit of continually repeating what I have discussed. I believe that there is one God, Yahweh, God the Father, and that our Lord Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Unlike some Unitarians I do not believe in the pre-existence of Jesus, but that he is literally the Son of God because God the Father is His father in the conception / birth process and Mary was His mother Matthew 1:20-21, Luke 1:34-35, John 1:14. Just as any child that has been born, we do not think of the child pre-existing, so with Jesus He was conceived and born and grew in wisdom and understanding Luke 2:40,52. He was made a little lower than the angels, of our human nature Psalm 8:5-6, Hebrews 2:14 but throughout his life he was without sin and his exceptional character of being full of grace and truth is attributable to God being His father and Mary his mother a descendant of David, and the education and care given to him by God His father and Mary and Joseph, and Jesus' exceptional and wholehearted trust in God.

    Kind regards
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrevorL View Post
    Greetings Right Divider and Jacob, No, I do not believe that it is true. I have participated in many threads on this subject and do not see the benefit of continually repeating what I have discussed. I believe that there is one God, Yahweh, God the Father, and that our Lord Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Unlike some Unitarians I do not believe in the pre-existence of Jesus, but that he is literally the Son of God because God the Father is His father in the conception / birth process and Mary was His mother Matthew 1:20-21, Luke 1:34-35, John 1:14. Just as any child that has been born, we do not think of the child pre-existing, so with Jesus He was conceived and born and grew in wisdom and understanding Luke 2:40,52. He was made a little lower than the angels, of our human nature Psalm 8:5-6, Hebrews 2:14 but without sin and his exceptional character of being full of grace and truth is attributable to God being His father and Mary his mother a descendant of David, and the education and care given to him by God His father and Mary and Joseph, and Jesus' exceptional and wholehearted trust in God.

    Kind regards
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    Well confusion just reigns with you then.

    The preexistence of the Word that was God is undeniable. John makes that clear. John also makes it clear that the Word was made flesh.

    Jesus is the Word (that was and is God) made flesh

    These things are true whether you: believe it; accept it; acknowledge it; etc. etc. etc.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
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    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
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    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrevorL View Post
    Greetings Right Divider and Jacob, No, I do not believe that it is true. I have participated in many threads on this subject and do not see the benefit of continually repeating what I have discussed. I believe that there is one God, Yahweh, God the Father, and that our Lord Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Unlike some Unitarians I do not believe in the pre-existence of Jesus, but that he is literally the Son of God because God the Father is His father in the conception / birth process and Mary was His mother Matthew 1:20-21, Luke 1:34-35, John 1:14. Just as any child that has been born, we do not think of the child pre-existing, so with Jesus He was conceived and born and grew in wisdom and understanding Luke 2:40,52. He was made a little lower than the angels, of our human nature Psalm 8:5-6, Hebrews 2:14 but throughout his life he was without sin and his exceptional character of being full of grace and truth is attributable to God being His father and Mary his mother a descendant of David, and the education and care given to him by God His father and Mary and Joseph, and Jesus' exceptional and wholehearted trust in God.

    Kind regards
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    That seems reasonable enough. Thank you. It sounds like you just do not believe in the preexistence of Christ.

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    Greetings again Right Divider and Jacob,
    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Well confusion just reigns with you then.
    The preexistence of the Word that was God is undeniable. John makes that clear. John also makes it clear that the Word was made flesh.
    Jesus is the Word (that was and is God) made flesh
    These things are true whether you: believe it; accept it; acknowledge it; etc. etc. etc.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    That seems reasonable enough. Thank you. It sounds like you just do not believe in the preexistence of Christ.
    I considered John 1:1,14 in Posts #18 and #60. No need to repeat again.

    Kind regards
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrevorL View Post
    Greetings again Right Divider and Jacob,I considered John 1:1,14 in Posts #18 and #60. No need to repeat again.

    Kind regards
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    Of course there is... your "consideration" is not worth the electrons that it took to post that nonsense. That scripture is crystal clear and yet you do not understand it and attempt to pervert its meaning.

    • The Word WAS GOD.
    • The Word was made flesh.

    Only someone that does not want to believe scripture can miss this.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
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    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrevorL View Post
    I do not believe in the pre-existence of Jesus, but that he is literally the Son of God because God the Father is His father in the conception / birth process and Mary was His mother Matthew 1:20-21, Luke 1:34-35, John 1:14. Just as any child that has been born, we do not think of the child pre-existing, so with Jesus He was conceived and born and grew in wisdom and understanding Luke 2:40,52.
    Do you believe that Jesus was anointed as the Christ?

    "Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, all ate the same spiritual food, and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ." (1 Corinthians 10:1-4)

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    Greetings Jamie,
    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    Do you believe that Jesus was anointed as the Christ?
    Yes, and He is now exalted and has been made both Lord and Christ sitting at the right hand of the One God, His Father Psalm 110:1,Acts 2:34-35,36.
    "Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, all ate the same spiritual food, and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ." (1 Corinthians 10:1-4)
    The Rock in the wilderness was a literal Rock existing there before Moses struck it. You must have a wild and vivid imagination to believe that the so-called "pre-existent Jesus" transformed Himself from the Second Person of the Trinity into a literal static Rock in order to allow water to pour forth for a number of years. Rather the language is figurative, depicting that He is the source of the Water of Life NOW. The Rock thus represented Christ, just as nearly every other object in the Tabernacle represented Jesus. He is the Lampstand, the Bread, the Incense Altar, the Vail, the Ark of the Covenant, the Mercy Seat, the Rod that Budded, the Most Holy.

    Kind regards
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    Quote Originally Posted by keypurr View Post
    For the folks who do not believe in spirits is not your God a spirit?
    One Spirit, One God, the Father and Jesus are one and the same.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright Raven View Post
    Then rewrite the Bible and take out references to the Son and the Holy Spirit.
    God the Father came as a son of man. The Holy Spirit is God the Father's Spirit.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oleander View Post
    Did Jesus said or did anything on his own without the permission of his God?
    Jesus is God the Father come as a man; who else is Jesus going to get authority from?
    Jesus was then given all authority.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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