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    What the Law and the Bible say about Homosexuality.

    Many people are under the mistaken assumption that Homosexuality is not against the Law. However, in the Law of Moses we find that it is against the Law.

    Genesis 18:20-19:29 is the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.

    Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 are against Homosexuality.

    Leviticus 18:22 NASB - 'You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.

    Leviticus 20:13 NASB - 'If [there is] a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.

    Romans 1:18-32 affirms that those who practice homosexuality are worthy of death.

    Romans 1:18-32 NASB - For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; [they are] gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.

    1 Corinthians 6:9-11 shows for believers that some used to be homosexuals.

    1 Corinthians 6:9-11 NASB - Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor [the] covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

    1 Timothy 1:8-10 affirms that the Law is for those who practice homosexuality.

    1 Timothy 1:8-10 NASB - But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching,

    Therefore I conclude that homosexuality is bad and wrong, and that those who practice it are worthy of death, but that you can repent and not practice it any more.

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    What has that got to do with politics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrumpTrainCA View Post
    What has that got to do with politics?
    Homosexuality is to be discussed in the Politics Forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Homosexuality is to be discussed in the Politics Forum.
    Okay, but I am asking: How does you post relate to politics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Homosexuality is to be discussed in the Politics Forum.
    not sure that's true

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrumpTrainCA View Post
    Okay, but I am asking: How does you post relate to politics?
    In that homosexuality is discussed in politics. For example, recriminalization or decriminalization. I take neither of these approaches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    not sure that's true
    It is under Politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Many people are under the mistaken assumption that Homosexuality is not against the Law. However, in the Law of Moses we find that it is against the Law.

    Genesis 18:20-19:29 is the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.

    Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 are against Homosexuality.

    Leviticus 18:22 NASB - 'You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.

    Leviticus 20:13 NASB - 'If [there is] a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.

    Romans 1:18-32 affirms that those who practice homosexuality are worthy of death.

    Romans 1:18-32 NASB - For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; [they are] gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.

    1 Corinthians 6:9-11 shows for believers that some used to be homosexuals.

    1 Corinthians 6:9-11 NASB - Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor [the] covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

    1 Timothy 1:8-10 affirms that the Law is for those who practice homosexuality.

    1 Timothy 1:8-10 NASB - But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching,

    Therefore I conclude that homosexuality is bad and wrong, and that those who practice it are worthy of death, but that you can repent and not practice it any more.
    Do you believe that people possess the inalienable right to be disobedient to God, or do you think that law enforcement /police and government has the just power to force, harass, pressure, and coerce people to obey God?
    "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idolater View Post
    Do you believe that people possess the inalienable right to be disobedient to God, or do you think that law enforcement /police and government has the just power to force, harass, pressure, and coerce people to obey God?
    I believe that we should always do the right thing.

    We are not to be disobedient to God.

    Law enforcement/ police and government enforce the law and we should respect them for their God given duty.

    Romans 13:1 - Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.

    Romans 13:2 - Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.

    Romans 13:3 - For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same;

    In other words, obey God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idolater View Post
    Do you believe that people possess the inalienable right to be disobedient to God, or do you think that law enforcement /police and government has the just power to force, harass, pressure, and coerce people to obey God?
    Wrong question.

    The question is whether the laws of the land are just or unjust and what the consequences are in either case.




    And no, people obviously do not have the right to disobey the God from whom their rights eminate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    It is under Politics.
    Your post resides properly under politics because it is politics that homosexuals have to thank for being able to continue to breath. It certainly isn't justice that keeps them alive. In fact, it isn't anything at all except politics. This country's laws are no longer moored to the firm ground of justice and morality but rather to the bobbing and weaving attitudes of the loudest mob of political trouble makers. If it continues, and there's no indication that it won't, it will be (has been) the undoing of our society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clete View Post
    Your post resides properly under politics because it is politics that homosexuals have to thank for being able to continue to breath. It certainly isn't justice that keeps them alive. In fact, it isn't anything at all except politics. This country's laws are no longer moored to the firm ground of justice and morality but rather to the bobbing and weaving attitudes of the loudest mob of political trouble makers. If it continues, and there's no indication that it won't, it will be (has been) the undoing of our society.
    So, gay people are allowed to live without fear of not being allowed to breathe because of politics?

    Oh, good for "politics" then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clete View Post
    Your post resides properly under politics because it is politics that homosexuals have to thank for being able to continue to breath. It certainly isn't justice that keeps them alive. In fact, it isn't anything at all except politics. This country's laws are no longer moored to the firm ground of justice and morality but rather to the bobbing and weaving attitudes of the loudest mob of political trouble makers. If it continues, and there's no indication that it won't, it will be (has been) the undoing of our society.
    I meant to say that homosexuality is under Politics.

    Do you believe that politics somehow allows homosexuality to exist? It is not religion but we learn about God's Law against it from God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idolater View Post
    Do you believe that people possess the inalienable right to be disobedient to God, or do you think that law enforcement /police and government has the just power to force, harass, pressure, and coerce people to obey God?
    What about the approach you mention has anything to do with how we are to act and behave? That is, the just power to force, harass, pressure, and coerce people is not of God and you ask if it is okay when it is to obey God. I mean, certainly we are to obey God. But what is the best approach to teach people to obey God? And what do we do if people do not do so? Is that the best approach do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    So, gay people are allowed to live without fear of not being allowed to breathe because of politics?

    Oh, good for "politics" then.
    What do you think of the Opening Post?

    What is politics in your opinion? How do you approach homosexuality being under Politics?

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