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    Judge rules truth is no defence

    A Christian has been fined a total of $55,000 in Canada because he told the truth about a Canadian politician. When truth is no longer a defense against a what is basically a charge of slandering a public official, you can be sure that totalitarianism is just around the corner.

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    I believe this is exactly what Jordan Peterson was warning against

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    It's not OK to be gay.
    Where is the evidence for a global flood?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    It's not OK to be gay.
    Just to be clear, transgender and homosexual are two somewhat different things. Both perverse.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
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    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Just to be clear, transgender and homosexual are two somewhat different things. Both perverse.
    They all look the same to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    They all look the same to me.
    Looks can be deceiving.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
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    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    I don't really want to think about this, but if a man thinks he's a woman, presumably he would have sex with men, right?
    Where is the evidence for a global flood?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    They all look the same to me.
    that's racist

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    I don't really want to think about this, but if a man thinks he's a woman, presumably he would have sex with men, right?
    unless he thinks he's a lesbian woman

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    I'm not racist; I hate everybody.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    unless he thinks he's a lesbian woman
    So... a homo?
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    btw - it's good to remember when having these discussions that homosexuals, transgenders, etc etc - all of these are constructs of mental illness


    i have watched this video several times - it's one of my favorites to come back to and ponder - the Yale halloween controversey:





    for the longest time i struggled to understand Christakis' demeanor and reactions in the video, but I finally realized that he was dealing with them as a clinician faced with behavior that he doesn't fully understand and is trying to

    he wasn't allowing the students to act like spoiled children because he thought they deserved to, he allowed it (and didn't react to it) just as a clinician would in a session - listening to them, considering their utterances and emotions and trying to understand them

    which was dissatisfying to the students - they didn't want an apology, they didn't want an explanation - they wanted to hurt him - when he didn't react in a way that told them he was hurt, they got increasingly frustrated


    still chewing on why they wanted to hurt him

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    This post is closely related to the event with which I opened this thread. It is a quotation from Freidrich Hayek's book, The Road to Serfdom. The quote I will give here comes from the first few paragraphs from the chapter titled The End of Truth. In this chapter Hayek demonstrates how socialism brings about the end of truth being the foundation of society.

    Notice that this is the state enforcing a new set of morals upon people. Tie this to the new laws on abortion making it legal to kill a child even after it is born and we see the complete destruction of morality. What is moral becomes immoral and what is immoral is declared to be moral. Truth is set upon it's ear and it's importance is destroyed. In other words, what is surreal is now seen as reality by the state, and that state of affairs is enforced by law upon the people. The fact that this is set in motion and initially put in front of the people through propoganda makes it no less insidious or invasive of human rights. This is thought control through the media, and dissension is frowned upon quite heavily, even in what is seen as less totalitarian beginnings in which the population is decieved as to the real goals of the state.

    The most effective way of making everybody serve the single
    system of ends towards which the social plan is directed is to
    make everybody believe in those ends. To make a totalitarian
    system function efficiently it is not enough that everybody
    should be forced to work for the same ends. It is essential that
    the people should come to regard them as their own ends.
    Although the beliefs must be chosen for the people and imposed
    upon them, they must become their beliefs, a generally accepted
    creed which makes the individuals as far as possible act spon-
    taneously in the way the planner wants. If the feeling of oppres-
    sion in totalitarian countries is in general much less acute than
    most people in liberal countries imagine, this is because the
    totalitarian governments succeed to a high degree in making
    people think as they want them to.

    This is, of course, brought about by the various forms of
    propaganda. Its technique is now so familiar that we need say
    little about it. The only point that needs to be stressed is that
    neither propaganda in itself, nor the techniques employed, are
    peculiar to totalitarianism, and that what so completely changes
    its nature and effect in a totalitarian state is that all propaganda
    serves the same goal, that all the instruments of propaganda are
    co-ordinated to influence the individuals in the same direction
    and to produce the characteristic Gleichschaltung of all minds. As a
    result, the effect of propaganda in totalitarian countries is differ-
    ent not only in magnitude but in kind from that of the propa-
    ganda made for different ends by independent and competing
    agencies. If all the sources of current information are effectively
    under one single control, it is no longer a question of merely
    persuading the people of this or that. The skilful propagandist
    then has power to mould their minds in any direction he
    chooses and even the most intelligent and independent people
    cannot entirely escape that influence if they are long isolated
    from all other sources of information.
    While in the totalitarian states this status of propaganda gives
    it a unique power over the minds of the people, the peculiar
    moral effects arise not from the technique but from the object
    and scope of totalitarian propaganda. If it could be confined to
    indoctrinating the people with the whole system of values
    towards which the social effort is directed, propaganda would
    represent merely a particular manifestation of the characteristic
    features of collectivist morals which we have already considered.
    If its object were merely to teach the people a definite and com-
    prehensive moral code, the problem would be solely whether
    this moral code is good or bad. We have seen that the moral code
    of a totalitarian society is not likely to appeal to us, that even the
    striving for equality by means of a directed economy can only
    result in an officially enforced inequality-an authoritarian
    determination of the status of each individual in the new
    hierarchical order; that most of the humanitarian elements of
    our morals, the respect for human life, for the weak and for the
    individual generally, will disappear. However repellent this may
    be to most people, and though it involves a change in moral
    standards, it is not necessarily entirely anti-moral. Some features
    of such a system may even appeal to the sternest moralists of
    a conservative tint and seem to them preferable to the softer
    standards of a liberal society.
    The moral consequences of totalitarian propaganda which we
    must now consider are, however, of an even more profound
    kind. They are destructive of all morals because they undermine
    one of the foundations of all morals, the sense of and the respect
    for truth. From the nature of its task, totalitarian propaganda
    cannot confine itself to values, to questions of opinion and
    moral convictions in which the individual always will conform
    more or less to the views ruling his community, but must extend
    to questions of fact where human intelligence is involved in a
    different way. This is so, firstly, because in order to induce
    people to accept the official values, these must be justified, or
    shown to be connected with the values already held by the
    people, which usually will involve assertions about causal con-
    nections between means and ends; and, secondly, because the
    distinction between ends and means, between the goal aimed at
    and the measures taken to achieve it, is in fact never so clear-cut
    and definite as any general discussion of these problems is apt to
    suggest; and because, therefore, people must be brought to agree
    not only with the ultimate aims but also with the views about
    the facts and possibilities on which the particular measures are
    based.

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    In an essay written 70 to 80+ years ago Friedrich Hayek pointed what is now a common occurrence in our society today. He said, even back then, that to uphold sound priciples in a society that is moving towards socialism is to be accused of being a doctrinaire, or in other words, someone who only looks at one side of an issue and refuses to give both sides of the issue equal weight even when the opposing point of view violates sound principles.

    When you read posts here for any length of time you see that Hayek's insight is true. Here is his beginning statement from his 11 page essay titled Individualism: True and False. This essay is available for free from the Mises Institute in a collection of essays on socialism titled Individualism and Economic Order.
    TO ADVOCATE any clear-cut principles of social order is today an almost certain way to incur the stigma of being an unpractical doctrinaire. It has come to be regarded as the sign of the judicious mind that in social matters one does not adhere to fixed principles but decides each question “on its merits”; that one is generally guided by expediency and is ready to compromise between opposed views. Principles, however, have a way of asserting themselves even if they are not explicitly recognized but are only implied in particular decisions, or if they are present only as vague ideas of what is or is not being done. Thus it has come about that under the sign of “neither individualism nor socialism” we are in fact rapidly moving from a society of free individuals toward one of a completely collectivist character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    It's not OK to be gay.
    Its not okay to be in Canada either

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