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    Quote Originally Posted by k0de View Post
    Figure of speech. But your posts Guyver are frustrating because your aren't debating. But rather you're preaching attributes of a God that is not God of the Bible. And certainly it isn't the Christian God. But dude who is in your ear? And where are you getting these things from?

    Please forgive me if I offended you. Not my intention.
    No forgiveness is needed because you have not offended me KOde. Iím sure I probably do seem crazy to most of the people around here.

    Whoís in my ear.....I think the better question is, whatís in between my ears? Itís a marvelous thing, a supercomputer if you will, and you have one to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guyver View Post
    Is murder justified because someone gets mad?
    No. It is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    I disagree with your characterization of God as a killer. He would rather that people repent. The point is that God has given the death penalty (human court) and killed (divine intervention or whatever we would call it) as well. If you choose to disobey you may suffer at His hand. But that is not what He wants for you.
    It would certainly seem that God should be able to get what he wants....right? I mean, how could he not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    No. It is not.
    Right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by k0de View Post
    You see making false accusations towards the Bible and my Jesus. I'm going to keep you in my prayers. May the God all mighty open your eyes of understanding of his holy scriptures from revelations of Jesus Christ through the holy spirit.

    Man talk about backsliding....
    Do you know what I donít understand? I donít understand how you can consider me making false accusations when I literally post the Bible that confirms my statements. Your argument is really with the facts I provide, and the questions I ask that people here canít answer, or are afraid to look into.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guyver View Post
    It would certainly seem that God should be able to get what he wants....right? I mean, how could he not?
    That is not my attitude about it. Rather, the wages (earning, payment, what is due) of sin is death.
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    Right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guyver View Post
    No forgiveness is needed because you have not offended me KOde. Iím sure I probably do seem crazy to most of the people around here.

    Whoís in my ear.....I think the better question is, whatís in between my ears? Itís a marvelous thing, a supercomputer if you will, and you have one to.
    But that super computer is foolish to God. Compare: super computer program to an super operating system... ?

    You and I are programs. God is the super operating system.
    Abraham did not do such things.... (John 8:40)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guyver View Post
    Do you know what I donít understand? I donít understand how you can consider me making false accusations when I literally post the Bible that confirms my statements. Your argument is really with the facts I provide, and the questions I ask that people here canít answer, or are afraid to look into.
    Guyver it's of no gain to quote scriptures. Satan is very good with that.

    Compare to quoting scriptures and having an intement relationship with Christ Jesus. You see. Christ is my husband because I'm of His Church. So no matter what the world say about my husband I will never leave His side.

    Is your wife around. Let me ask her if she agree with me that I think you're nuts and you are possessed by an evil Spirit. Of course not. She will throw it right back at me.
    Last edited by k0de; April 14th, 2019 at 04:39 PM.
    Abraham did not do such things.... (John 8:40)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guyver View Post
    False answer. The bible says he did. Galatians 5.

    "Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: [d]adultery, [e]fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, [f]murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God."

    You said you knew God according to his word. So, I asked you a question and you didn't answer it. Would you like to try again?

    How is it that God practices wrath, but condemns that practice as a work of the flesh? Or to put it another way.....how can God practice something he despises?
    So you're ignoring the context of the two words just prior to the word "wrath?"

    It's no wonder you're so confused.

    I see a condemnation of "outbursts of wrath", which is perfectly in line with "do not be angry without cause" (Jesus, who is God) and "give place to wrath." (Paul, who was given his message by God.)

    So no, no condemnation of wrath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k0de View Post
    But that super computer is foolish to God. Compare: super computer program to an super operating system... ?

    You and I are programs. God is the super operating system.
    It’s amazing to me that people believe that. How can a thing God made not be marvelous and loved by him?

    I just don’t understand this kind of thinking. It’s like people believe that God could be a failure. I guess this type of thinking comes from the Bible and religion with their beliefs based upon fear.

    But whatever. People are going to believe whatever they want to believe. It’s just that to claim to believe in God but have such a low opinion of him just doesn’t fit me.

    So, I’m outside the box and I’m fine with that because I think God great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    So you're ignoring the context of the two words just prior to the word "wrath?"

    It's no wonder you're so confused.

    I see a condemnation of "outbursts of wrath", which is perfectly in line with "do not be angry without cause" (Jesus, who is God) and "give place to wrath." (Paul, who was given his message by God.)

    So no, no condemnation of wrath.

    I’m not confused, but it seems you appear to be? An outburst of wrath is the expression of wrath, that’s what wrath is. Wrath is also sometimes used colloquially as some kind of expression of righteous judgement and vengeance, but the actual words mean anger. Anger is condemned in the NT as an immoral behavior, not only in the passage under discussion but other passages also.

    So, the point being that God wouldn’t do something he considers a sin. I hope that helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guyver View Post
    Iím not confused, but it seems you appear to be?
    "I know you are, but what am I?"

    An outburst of wrath is the expression of wrath, thatís what wrath is.
    Wrath is not "the expression of wrath."

    You can't define words by using the word itself.

    Also, the word used in the passage above is not referring to "wrath," as in judgment of the wicked, but rather "fits of rage."

    Strong's g2372

    - Lexical: θυμός
    - Transliteration: thumos
    - Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
    - Phonetic Spelling: thoo-mos'
    - Definition: an outburst of passion, wrath.
    - Origin: From thuo; passion (as if breathing hard).
    - Usage: fierceness, indignation, wrath. Compare psuche.
    - Translated as (count): wrath (6), anger (4), fury (3), fits of rage (1), of rage (1), passion (1), rage (1), with anger (1).

    In other words, Paul isn't talking about the wrath of God upon the wicked, but the exact thing Christ warned about, being "angry without cause."

    Wrath is also sometimes used colloquially as some kind of expression of righteous judgement and vengeance, but the actual words mean anger. Anger is condemned in the NT as an immoral behavior, not only in the passage under discussion but other passages also.
    Blanket statements like this are what's getting you in trouble.

    Righteous anger is just that. Righteous. There's nothing wrong with being angry if there's a good reason to be angry.

    Hence why Christ said, "do not be angry without cause."

    He did NOT say "don't be angry at all," because then he would have been a hypocrite. And God is not a hypocrite.

    So, the point being that God wouldnít do something he considers a sin. I hope that helps.
    Good thing he doesn't consider being angry a sin then, eh?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Guyver View Post
    Anger is condemned in the NT as an immoral behavior...
    Note that there is an anger which is not a sin:

    Ephesians 4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath...

    Also, note that Isaiah 42:14 suggests that God's/Jesus' patience has a limit. Ultimately, He will let loose, at His future, Second Coming. For it is okay to eventually get angry, even for Christians (Ephesians 4:26), made in God's image (Colossians 3:10), which would include God's emotionality. But Christians must not let the sun go down on their anger (Ephesians 4:26). That is, they must never harbor grudges, but speak forth what is bothering them, and find a way of resolving it (Matthew 18:15-17), or letting it go (Matthew 6:14-15), before the day is through. God/Jesus will likewise express His anger against His living enemies in the single day of His future, Second Coming from heaven (Revelation 19:11 to 20:3).

    But while God/Jesus has the right to employ violence against His enemies, Christians have no such right. Indeed, they are never to harm anyone, even in self-defense (Matthew 5:39).

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    Quote Originally Posted by bibleverse2 View Post
    But while God/Jesus has the right to employ violence against His enemies, Christians have no such right. Indeed, they are never to harm anyone, even in self-defense (Matthew 5:39).
    You were doing excellent up until this point.

    So, it's the middle of the night, your wife and three kids are asleep, and you wake up and hear noises coming from your kitchen. Someone has broken in and is in the process of foraging through your house for valuables. Do you get out your gun? Or do you go and have a conversation with the burglar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    You were doing excellent up until this point.

    So, it's the middle of the night, your wife and three kids are asleep, and you wake up and hear noises coming from your kitchen. Someone has broken in and is in the process of foraging through your house for valuables. Do you get out your gun? Or do you go and have a conversation with the burglar?
    I think he did fine all the way through from a Christian perspective. You don’t because you don’t like what Jesus said about not defending yourself.

    It seems right to kill another if they are trying to kill you or your family. But that’s not what Jesus said. So, like so many Christians who claim to believe the Bible, what you really do is pick and choose the parts you like and believe those, but the ones you don’t like you skip.

    Would that be a fair assessment in your opinion?
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