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    Quote Originally Posted by hishignicityesq View Post
    I am precisely familiar with contradiction and self-inconsistency. I am degreed in Philosophy.

    I am positing that it is self-inconsistent to both posit freedom and attempt to posit against freedom freely acting of its own free accord, by implementing a "thou shalt not" against a possible future act, which is precisely an attempt to obviate freedom. It is indifferent whether or not Jehovah can or cannot know the future. Some persons I have interacted with over this question claim that God knew his law, injunction, promise, prohibition, or whatever you wish to call a shalt not, would be disobeyed. It does not matter whether he knew it would be ignored or did not know. The central consideration is that, clearly, he did both create and freedom and immediately posit against freedom with law, prohibition, command, denial... which, simply, is contradictory and self-inconsistent...
    An authentic Deity, after creating man as free, would know better than to even attempt to instruct the man not to act freely in regard to the forbidden fruit, for men are not determined either to act or to refrain from action by given states of affairs like prohibitions or laws. All determination to either action or inaction is negation, i.e., upsurges in and out of the nothingness that is the intended future which man is desirous of ushering into the world...God to be God does not need to know the future, he needs to know how his creation, man ticks when it comes to originating an act or a forbearance to act. A god who posits law/prohibition/injunction/demand/command exhibits that he does not know how man ticks, therefore, he did not create man....
    So, basically, don't tell man that he doesn't have to always live with God, but that he can rebel and do otherwise?

    How is that not a lie of omission?

    God made it very clear: "Either live with Me, and be blessed, OR rebel and be separated from Me."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Once again, there is nothing contradictory about that.
    Man is free with limits. You are just looking for something to complain about.
    No, I am not merely complaining; I am iconoclastically overthrowing ontologically unintelligible law; demonstrating the defeasibility of the legalistic world view; examining mistaken presupposition; killing all the lawyers; describing an alternative approach to civilization not via law but by employing our human ontological structure as a pattern for civilization; I am doing original critical thinking, and, it is simply that very few people are around that can even begin to recognize, much less understand what I am addressing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    Paul explains, "Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God." (Romans 8:7-8)
    Excellent Jamie, thanks a million for that scripture "...for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be...", wow, yes; so my fundamental stance, that law is not determinative of human conduct of the carnal mind is upheld by Paul the Apostle...wow...cool...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hishignicityesq View Post
    No, I am not merely complaining; I am iconoclastically overthrowing ontologically unintelligible law; demonstrating the defeasibility of the legalistic world view; examining mistaken presupposition; killing all the lawyers; describing an alternative approach to civilization not via law but by employing our human ontological structure as a pattern for civilization; I am doing original critical thinking, and, it is simply that very few people are around that can even begin to recognize, much less understand what I am addressing...


    Yes, you are the greatest "thinker" of all time.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
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    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    So, basically, don't tell man that he doesn't have to always live with God, but that he can rebel and do otherwise?

    How is that not a lie of omission?

    God made it very clear: "Either live with Me, and be blessed, OR rebel and be separated from Me."
    It is a sure sign of a radically limited mentality to proclaim an either/or ultimatum, because, there are never simply two alternatives. A Nazi submarine was trapped in a harbor in South American during WWII. The sub commander was given an either/or ultimatum, i.e., either surrender or die; he scuttled the sub and became a prosoner of war...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post


    Yes, you are the greatest "thinker" of all time.
    And you appear to be precisely the opposite. Why don't you get off my back and go play somewhere away from me, where you can torture something or someone else...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hishignicityesq View Post
    It is a sure sign of a radically limited mentality to proclaim an either/or ultimatum, because, there are never simply two alternatives.
    Please provide an alternative to existing either with or without God for all eternity.

    A Nazi submarine was trapped in a harbor in South American during WWII. The sub commander was given an either/or ultimatum, i.e., either surrender or die; he scuttled the sub and became a prosoner of war...
    And?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hishignicityesq View Post
    And you appear to be precisely the opposite. Why don't you get off my back and go play somewhere away from me, where you can torture something or someone else...
    This is a Christian forum. If you're just here to bash it, you're in the wrong place.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
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    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hishignicityesq View Post
    It is a sure sign of a radically limited mentality to proclaim an either/or ultimatum, because, there are never simply two alternatives. A Nazi submarine was trapped in a harbor in South American during WWII. The sub commander was given an either/or ultimatum, i.e., either surrender or die; he scuttled the sub and became a prosoner of war...
    So he surrendered. Great example... NOT!
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Please provide an alternative to existing either with or without God for all eternity.



    And?
    An alternative is that there is no authentic deity going by the name: Jehovah; Yahweh; Elohim; Christ, because, that so called deity clearly exhibits that he does not even know how his supposed creation, man, originates an act, which action origination proceeds only by the double nihilation, and does not, cannot, proceed in the manner Jehovah prescribes, which is by positing a written law which somehow in motion moves man to act, or, refrains action, by impeding man's freedom of action, all of which is absurd according to twentieth century existential understanding of determination as negation...There is Deity woven into the fabric of our universe, because even our physiological structure is so deep and complex that, we cannot understand it; surely there is something infinitely more intelligent than we men, and, that being, higher and more intelligent, is Deity to us. Deity is not an anthropomorhic being in the sky with a long white beard, who has a son with hands holed by Roman spikes...,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    This is a Christian forum. If you're just here to bash it, you're in the wrong place.
    Yes, indeed,I am here precisely to bash Christian nonsense. As a free citizen of America I can bash anything I wish. I told you, since you are too overflowing with hatred, to stay away from me ! Get thee behind me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hishignicityesq View Post
    Yes, indeed,I am here precisely to bash Christian nonsense. As a free citizen of America I can bash anything I wish. I told you, since you are too overflowing with hatred, to stay away from me ! Get thee behind me.
    An atheistic quoting scripture.... you're a hoot!
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
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    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
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    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hishignicityesq View Post
    Yes, indeed,I am here precisely to bash Christian nonsense. As a free citizen of America I can bash anything I wish. I told you, since you are too overflowing with hatred, to stay away from me ! Get thee behind me.
    So, in other words, you're a troll who wants to be banned?

    Can do!


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    So sad. I guess actively pursuing Christian bashing causes one to lose control of one's emotions and become raving mad.

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