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    Quote Originally Posted by PneumaPsucheSoma View Post
    He doesn’t know what law is, thinking it’s merely codification via legislation. Law is far more than that.
    You are the one placing Enscausasui's usage of "law" into your vacuous either/or restriction that he only deems law to be codification and legislation. Surely law is an infinite multiplicity of incarnations. You leave out that Enscausasui further deems law to be ontologically unintelligible in so far as law mistakenly attempts to employ given language in order to modify human conduct. You xenophobia is unbecoming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tutanota View Post
    ...lacking realization that the judaeo-christian moral standard set is neither an absolute morality nor pertinent to considerations of whether or not Elohim; Yahweh;Jehovah, or Christ are verily deity.
    The fact that morals are absolute can be proven by a murderous biker gang taking up residence in your home. You would ABSOLUTELY call the police and ask that whatever law might be applied to them be done post haste. As far as pertinence: certainly God covered every moral situation that might arise over the millennia in just ten simple instructions, long before the problems we have today that could be assuaged by obeying ten commandments. If you don't understand that or realize how important and clear this is of a proof of God's existence, you won't ever come to have any sense at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimiel View Post
    The fact that morals are absolute can be proven by a murderous biker gang taking up residence in your home. You would ABSOLUTELY call the police and ask that whatever law might be applied to them be done post haste. As far as pertinence: certainly God covered every moral situation that might arise over the millennia in just ten simple instructions, long before the problems we have today that could be assuaged by obeying ten commandments. If you don't understand that or realize how important and clear this is of a proof of God's existence, you won't ever come to have any sense at all.
    Your notion that chaos would be the order of the day in the absence of law/government is the pure speculation of someone who is radically afraid of being in the world and predominantly imputes violent misconduct the the Other. Perhaps you missed Thomas Paine's report of the state of affairs in America immediately subsequent to the American revolution, where there was no government, no law. Paine reports all was domestic tranquility primarily because commerce absolutely had to transpire, and, therefore, people had to be civil in their interpersonal relations.
    The fact that only a minority of policemen murder citizens daily nowadays; which is chaotic. You fail consider that even if radical chaos were to happen, the malicious types would be erased quick like a mouse, and, unacceptable misconduct would thus be extinguished more efficiently than in our so called state of law and order, wherein law and order is the central destructive phenomenon which you live in the midst of continually. You, unfortunately, live within an absolutism of law which has arisen essentially on the basis of our, Judaeo-Christian historicity, wherein Moses originally found himself pleading with Yahweh not to completely extinguish the children of Israel. Here is a beautifully done history of Judea wherein at Part 6 the narrator explains that Judea employed both promissory and legislated law and, mentions the incident in which Moses dissuaded an angry Jehovah from wiping out his chosen people...

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    Forgot to send you the link:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1Oj7DOuLZA

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    Aimiel,
    Here's an idea for an experiment which would test your thinking that at this time in our history Americans would completely misbehave within a sociosphere entirely absent law:

    I propose to establish an internet forum with absolutely no rules, without the common structure of a forum wherein tyrannical moderator types continually lord it over the membership and, absolutely stringently suffocate member freedom of speech, in order to feel importantly superior and high and mighty...

    To establish an internet forum with absolutely no regulations would constitute a perfect experimental microcosm for empirical research within a state of affairs wherein absolutely total American freedom reigned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tutanota View Post
    How, why, is it of import that being-in-itself-for-itself is characterizable in terms of alternating proto trophic pattern entailing two components ?
    Because everything that is is. So if this is, then it is characterizable in terms of the proto trope. It's not the alternation that is primary in and of itself, but also that the two identical things are identical, and that furthermore the one distinct thing from the other two relates the two identical things to each other in a definite and unambiguous way. The one component that is repeated relates in a definite way to its equal, and that relationship is expressed by that other component. There is only one way that these three things, two of which are identical, relate to one another, and that is the proto trope and nothing more. So, being-in-itself-for-itself /etc. is either a particular expression of the proto trope, or it is characterizable according to the proto trope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tutanota View Post
    Your notion that chaos would be the order of the day in the absence of law/government is the pure speculation of someone who is radically afraid of being in the world and predominantly imputes violent misconduct the the Other.
    No, it's the experience of someone who's been around the world, seen a lot and read a good deal. We see people breaking the law at will, especially when appointed officials look the other way. Look at Seattle. In Boston, the new DA refuses to prosecute:

    •   Trespassing;
    •   Shoplifting;
    •   Larceny under $250;
    •   Disorderly conduct;
    •   Disturbing the peace, and;
    •   Receiving stolen property.

    If you don't like laws, you should move to Boston. See how you feel when someone moves into your home, steals from a store while you're shopping, cusses you out or steals from your car. You'll call the police, I'm sure.
    Perhaps you missed Thomas Paine's report of the state of affairs in America immediately subsequent to the American revolution, where there was no government, no law.
    The law was ingrained in people then. When I grew up, no one locked their homes. There used to be a LOT less crime than there is today.
    The fact that only a minority of policemen murder citizens daily nowadays; which is chaotic.
    I don't think that's a sentence. It has to do with there being nearly a million police and the fact that the majority of people with mental illness won't get treatment, mostly because of the stigma behind it.
    You fail (to) consider that even if radical chaos were to happen, the malicious types would be erased quick like a mouse, and, unacceptable misconduct would thus be extinguished more efficiently than in our so called state of law and order, wherein law and order is the central destructive phenomenon which you live in the midst of continually.
    Are you saying that we'd shoot and kill the perpetrators and so reduce their population to zero? You make even less sense than your partner.
    You, unfortunately, live within an absolutism of law which has arisen essentially on the basis of our, Judaeo-Christian historicity, wherein Moses originally found himself pleading with Yahweh not to completely extinguish the children of Israel.
    That was a set-up, wherein Moses was given the law and subsequently Israel was found to not follow that law, since no one can. The law is a schoolmaster designed to point us to God. I can see how you missed that point, not being familiar with Scripture. Jesus is The Way. You think that chaos is the way, but we've seen what that can do, already. We don't have a boundary to prevent illegal aliens from entering our country, so they're storming into our country in unprecedented numbers. It's taxing our border states beyond their capacities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tutanota View Post
    Aimiel,
    Here's an idea for an experiment which would test your thinking that at this time in our history Americans would completely misbehave within a sociosphere entirely absent law:

    I propose to establish an internet forum with absolutely no rules, without the common structure of a forum wherein tyrannical moderator types continually lord it over the membership and, absolutely stringently suffocate member freedom of speech, in order to feel importantly superior and high and mighty...

    To establish an internet forum with absolutely no regulations would constitute a perfect experimental microcosm for empirical research within a state of affairs wherein absolutely total American freedom reigned.
    No thanks. There's enough bullying and threats here, even with rules and sysops.

    Try Slab City. You'll be shot at if you even come close to trespassing or most likely at least robbed, because of the way you're dressed. It's a 'city' where there's no law at all. Grifters, drug-addicts and other criminals love it. You definitely would NOT. You wouldn't last a day. I do believe that you're without a clue and have no idea of what the real world is like, just like most kids these days. Education or not: many today are completely clueless. Alexandria Ocassio-Cortez is a prime example. So is Nancy Pelosi. Clueless.
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    Aimiel,
    I have constituted a forum with no rules, all are welcome, here:

    https://enscausasui.discussion.commu...post1308240527

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    Quote Originally Posted by tutanota View Post
    Aimiel,
    I have constituted a forum with no rules, all are welcome, here:

    https://enscausasui.discussion.commu...post1308240527
    Sorry, I not only like rules; I also don't log onto sites posted by people I don't know (especially those who remain clueless).
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    Locking the thread. Also nuked this Enscausasui sock.

    Please let me know if he shows up again.
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