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    Penalty. The existence of a penalty for breaking a law.

    There are laws that have penalty for breaking them. Can we list the laws and their penalty?
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    With forgiveness in Christ is anyone penalized for breaking any law?
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    Exodus 22:1 NASB - "If a man steals an ox or a sheep and slaughters it or sells it, he shall pay five oxen for the ox and four sheep for the sheep.
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    in beginning he created gods the heavens and the earth

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    Different from if you steal something give it back or if you steal something pay the value.
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    in beginning he created gods the heavens and the earth

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    The penalty which people receive when they sin is "death," spiritual death--separation of the soul from the source of spirit, the LORD God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    The penalty which people receive when they sin is "death," spiritual death--separation of the soul from the source of spirit, the LORD God.
    I know that the wages of sin is death.
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    in beginning he created gods the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    I know that the wages of sin is death.
    Yes, spiritual death. And believers are justified in the eyes of God by the Lord Jesus' spritual death upon the Cross when He was separated from the Father:

    "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Mt.27:46).

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    Genesis 1:27 NASB - God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

    Genesis 9:6 NASB - "Whoever sheds man's blood, By man his blood shall be shed, For in the image of God He made man.
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
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    in beginning he created gods the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Yes, spiritual death. And believers are justified in the eyes of God by the Lord Jesus' spritual death upon the Cross when He was separated from the Father:

    "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Mt.27:46).
    What is spiritual death if it is anything?
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    in beginning he created gods the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    What is spiritual death if it is anything?
    "Death" is in regard to a "separation." A physical death is a separation of the soul from the physical body. Spiritual death is the separation of the soul from the source of spiritual life, God.

    That is the death which Paul referred to at Ephesians 2:1 and the following words of the Lord Jesus speak about how a person who is spiritually dead as a result of his sins is brought unto spiritual life:

    "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life"
    (Jn.6:63).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    "Death" is in regard to a "separation." A physical death is a separation of the soul from the physical body. Spiritual death is the separation of the soul from the source of spiritual life, God.

    That is the death which Paul referred to at Ephesians 2:1 and the following words of the Lord Jesus speak about how a person who is spiritually dead as a result of his sins is brought unto spiritual life:

    "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life"
    (Jn.6:63).
    You can expound if you wish. I almost or do desire it.

    However, my question about spiritual death pertains to your saying Jesus went through it, as if to say His spiritual death cancels out ours or something. Did I misunderstand this about what you were saying? They are not the same.
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
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    Can you think of another law with a penalty?
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

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    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

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    If ceremonial laws or ordinances are what has been abolished (check this) then are there still penalties for breaking the law?
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    If ceremonial laws or ordinances are what has been abolished (check this) then are there still penalties for breaking the law?
    sacrifices
    for sin
    etc...

    because is there a sin for which there is no sacrifice?

    We need to establish if there is any punishment or penalty for breaking the law, maybe even for those who are in Christ should they be found to sin (the one who is born of God does not sin or practice sin but we know that if we sin we have an advocate with the Father Jesus Christ the righteous and if we confess our sins He (God?) is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness).
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    in beginning he created gods the heavens and the earth

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