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    MATTHEW 28 IS IT OUR COMMISSION?

    Matthew 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.

    28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

    28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

    28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

    28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

    Jesus was commanding the eleven disciples. Jesus commanded them to teach all the nations to obey his commandments. This was preparation for the coming Davidic kingdom on earth. Israel was to be a light to the Gentile nations in the kingdom.They were commanded to baptize in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost, where as before it was in the name of Jesus only because the Holy Ghost was not fallen on them. Isaiah 42:6 Isaiah 2:2-3 Acts 2:38 Acts 8:16

    Mark 16:14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

    16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

    The eleven disciples, were once again, the only ones who were given this commandment. They were to go and preach the gospel of the kingdom. The gospel of the coming kingdom on earth, in which Christ will reign along with the disciples. They were not preaching Paul's gospel. Matthew 24:14

    16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

    The gospel of the kingdom required baptism. The salvation spoken of here is a physical salvation that would deliver Israel from the tribulation and the Antichrist. This salvation is Israel being saved to enter the kingdom on earth.

    16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

    16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

    These were signs that would only follow the disciples at the time the gospel of the kingdom was being preached. This gospel is not being preached today, nor does the church, the body of Christ have any basis to warrant any expectation that these signs have any application today.

    16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

    16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

    The signs that would follow belief were only to confirm the authenticity of the word spoken of the coming kingdom.

    Luke 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

    24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

    The nations are Gentiles. Starting first at Jerusalem, the gospel of the kingdom would be preached. It is to the Jew first. Acts 15:7 Romans 1:16

    The nations were to be given the same gospel of the kingdom the Apostles preached to Israel. Mark 13:10 Luke 9:6

    The nations, as did Israel, were to repent and believe on the name of Jesus for remission of sins. This is the same remission of sins that John and Peter preached. Mark 1:4 Acts 2:38 Acts 10:43

    24:48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

    John and the eleven remaining disciples were witnesses. The church, the body of Christ can not be witnesses. Paul only was witness. John 1:7 John 15:27 Acts 1:22 Acts 22:15

    24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

    The disciples were to remain in Jerusalem and wait for the Holy Ghost. This was fulfilled at Pentecost. Acts 2:1

    John 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

    20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

    20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

    Jesus gave the authority to remit sins. The body of Christ has no such authority.

    The commissions were given to the disciples only. They were to go unto the nations, the Gentiles. The body of Christ are to go to all men, to exhort that all be reconciled to God, through The Lord Jesus Christ. The body of Christ, the church, in this dispensation, are ambasadors of Christ to all. 2 Corinthians 5:20 Colossians 1:18

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougE View Post
    Matthew 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.

    28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

    28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

    28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

    28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

    Jesus was commanding the eleven disciples. Jesus commanded them to teach all the nations to obey his commandments. This was preparation for the coming Davidic kingdom on earth. Israel was to be a light to the Gentile nations in the kingdom.They were commanded to baptize in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost, where as before it was in the name of Jesus only because the Holy Ghost was not fallen on them. Isaiah 42:6 Isaiah 2:2-3 Acts 2:38 Acts 8:16

    Mark 16:14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

    16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

    The eleven disciples, were once again, the only ones who were given this commandment. They were to go and preach the gospel of the kingdom. The gospel of the coming kingdom on earth, in which Christ will reign along with the disciples. They were not preaching Paul's gospel. Matthew 24:14

    16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

    The gospel of the kingdom required baptism. The salvation spoken of here is a physical salvation that would deliver Israel from the tribulation and the Antichrist. This salvation is Israel being saved to enter the kingdom on earth.

    16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

    16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

    These were signs that would only follow the disciples at the time the gospel of the kingdom was being preached. This gospel is not being preached today, nor does the church, the body of Christ have any basis to warrant any expectation that these signs have any application today.

    16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

    16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

    The signs that would follow belief were only to confirm the authenticity of the word spoken of the coming kingdom.

    Luke 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

    24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

    The nations are Gentiles. Starting first at Jerusalem, the gospel of the kingdom would be preached. It is to the Jew first. Acts 15:7 Romans 1:16

    The nations were to be given the same gospel of the kingdom the Apostles preached to Israel. Mark 13:10 Luke 9:6

    The nations, as did Israel, were to repent and believe on the name of Jesus for remission of sins. This is the same remission of sins that John and Peter preached. Mark 1:4 Acts 2:38 Acts 10:43

    24:48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

    John and the eleven remaining disciples were witnesses. The church, the body of Christ can not be witnesses. Paul only was witness. John 1:7 John 15:27 Acts 1:22 Acts 22:15

    24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

    The disciples were to remain in Jerusalem and wait for the Holy Ghost. This was fulfilled at Pentecost. Acts 2:1

    John 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

    20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

    20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

    Jesus gave the authority to remit sins. The body of Christ has no such authority.

    The commissions were given to the disciples only. They were to go unto the nations, the Gentiles. The body of Christ are to go to all men, to exhort that all be reconciled to God, through The Lord Jesus Christ. The body of Christ, the church, in this dispensation, are ambasadors of Christ to all. 2 Corinthians 5:20 Colossians 1:18
    What do you mean by saying

    This was preparation for the coming Davidic kingdom on earth.
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
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    in beginning he created gods the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    What do you mean by saying

    This was preparation for the coming Davidic kingdom on earth.
    Hi

    This was just a general statement encapsulating how Jesus commanded them to teach the nations with the tribulation, and His coming and the kingdom in view. Jesus preached that the kingdom was at hand. Jesus taught them on the nature and attributes of the kingdom. He gave them instructions for them after his resurrection. Of course the kingdom was postponed with the diminishing of Israel and Paul's conversion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougE View Post
    Hi

    This was just a general statement encapsulating how Jesus commanded them to teach the nations when they entered the kingdom. Jesus preached that the kingdom was at hand. Jesus taught them on the nature and attributes of the kingdom. He gave them instructions for them after his resurrection. Of course the kingdom was postponed with the diminishing of Israel and Paul's conversion.
    That we should obey His commandments is good. I just didn't see the connection. Thank you for clarifying your view.

    I believe you are saying that the Great Commission does relate to the Davidic kingdom, but that it was delayed.

    Do you believe that Israel has been set aside?
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    in beginning he created gods the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    That we should obey His commandments is good. I just didn't see the connection. Thank you for clarifying your view.

    I believe you are saying that the Great Commission does relate to the Davidic kingdom, but that it was delayed.

    Do you believe that Israel has been set aside?
    Hi

    I was saying the "great commission" was given to the disciples to go into the world and preach the gospel of the kingdom.

    We are to preach the gospel found in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Paul's gospel. We are to be ambassadors for Christ.

    Israel has been temporarily set aside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougE View Post
    Hi

    I was saying the "great commission" was given to the disciples to go into the world and preach the gospel of the kingdom.

    We are to preach the gospel found in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Paul's gospel. We are to be ambassadors for Christ.

    Israel has been temporarily set aside.
    Okay. I believe that this is the dispensational view. Or, rather, the view of dispensationalism.
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Okay. I believe that this is the dispensational view. Or, rather, the view of dispensationalism.
    Hi

    Right, and what are your thoughts on that?

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    Jesus' dispensing of the Great Commission was for all believers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DougE View Post
    Hi

    Right, and what are your thoughts on that?
    Maybe that a literal kingdom on earth fits with dispensationalism. Do you believe that the Great Commission relates to a literal kingdom on earth?
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    Jesus' dispensing of the Great Commission was for all believers.
    That fits right in, yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Maybe that a literal kingdom on earth fits with dispensationalism. Do you believe that the Great Commission relates to a literal kingdom on earth?

    That fits right in, yes.
    The great commission was for the disciples to go preach, to the Gentiles ( the nations) the gospel of the kingdom. The kingdom is the earthly Davidic kingdom promised Israel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougE View Post
    The great commission was for the disciples to go preach, to the Gentiles ( the nations) the gospel of the kingdom. The kingdom is the earthly Davidic kingdom promised Israel.
    I am not sure what the kingdom looks like, but maybe you are saying that the great commission is a part of learning what it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimiel View Post
    Jesus' dispensing of the Great Commission was for all believers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimiel View Post
    Jesus' dispensing of the Great Commission was for all believers.
    There are five accounts of the so-called 'Great Commission', all addressed to the eleven, picking up the twelfth, Matthias, in Acts 1. Each one of the five accounts are part of the whole commission to the twelve and all of the various commands are part of the whole, meaning it can't be picked over like a salad bar.
    There is no group of believers today, nor since the first century, that adheres to the whole commission. That commission pertained to the prophetic Davidic earthly kingdom to Israel with Messiah reigning from David's throne, Jerusalem, and the believing remnant of Israel being restored to the land and rising to be head of the nations. Isa 60:1 thru Isa 66:24

    Today's commission is 2Co 5:17 thru 2Co 5:21.

    Along with 1Co 15:1 thru 1Co 15:4.
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steko View Post
    There are five accounts of the so-called 'Great Commission', all addressed to the eleven, picking up the twelfth, Matthias, in Acts 1. Each one of the five accounts are part of the whole commission to the twelve and all of the various commands are part of the whole, meaning it can't be picked over like a salad bar.
    There is no group of believers today, nor since the first century, that adheres to the whole commission. That commission pertained to the prophetic Davidic earthly kingdom to Israel with Messiah reigning from David's throne, Jerusalem, and the believing remnant of Israel being restored to the land and rising to be head of the nations. Isa 60:1 thru Isa 66:24

    Today's commission is 2Co 5:17 thru 2Co 5:21.

    Along with 1Co 15:1 thru 1Co 15:4.
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    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Nope.
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