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    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    Curious to me that no one can decide what the criterion is for getting into the Afterlife.
    Believe in Christ.
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    Unless you eat my flesh.....

    Worst scripture in the Bible.....almost.
    Sometimes the hardest thing and the right thing are the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guyver View Post
    Unless you eat my flesh.....

    Worst scripture in the Bible.....almost.
    There's no such thing as 'worst scripture in the Bible.'
    "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.

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    Unless you eat my flesh..... Worst scripture in the Bible.....almost.
    Well; one thing's for sure: it's one of the most difficult, no doubt about it; and if the brightest theological minds on Earth can't agree what it means, then where does that leave John Q and Jane Doe pew warmers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WeberHome View Post
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    Well; one thing's for sure: it's one of the most difficult, no doubt about it; and if the brightest theological minds on Earth can't agree what it means, then where does that leave John Q and Jane Doe pew warmers?
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    Lost? Confused? Bewildered? Relying on priests or Catholic Doctrine to interpret it?
    Sometimes the hardest thing and the right thing are the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idolater View Post
    There's no such thing as 'worst scripture in the Bible.'
    Why not? I can think of many terrible scriptures, any one of which could be judged more terrible than another in some way.
    Sometimes the hardest thing and the right thing are the same.

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    John 6:51 . . I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.

    The flesh that Jesus gave for the life of the world was his natural flesh. We know that's true because glorified flesh is immortal, whereas natural flesh is easily destroyed.

    The body that Jesus shared with his men at the last supper is the one that died on the cross.

    Luke 22:19 . . And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying: This is my body given for you

    1Cor 11:23-24 . .The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said: This is my body, which is for you

    In addition, the blood that Jesus shared with his men wasn't glorified blood, it was natural blood.

    Matt 26:27-29 . .Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying: Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. (See also Mark 14:23-24, Luke 22:20)

    FAQ: If it's true that Roman Catholics are supposed to be eating Jesus' natural flesh, and drinking his natural blood in their communion elements (a.k.a. species) then from whence are they getting Jesus' natural flesh and blood when his natural body no longer exists?

    A: That's a very good question seeing as how 1Cor 15:50 implies that natural bodies are barred access to the kingdom of God.
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    According to 1Cor 15:50, flesh and blood is barred access to the kingdom of God, which tells me that the design of Jesus' glorious body is very different than the design of his original body; ergo: the design of his true believing followers' glorious bodies will be very different too. (Phil 3:20-21)

    Though Jesus Christ's glorious body is no longer the very same body in which he was crucified, it is still capable of dining upon ordinary foods.

    Luke 22:15-16 . . I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. For I tell you: I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God.

    And capable of imbibing ordinary beverages too.

    Matt 26:29 . . I tell you: I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father's kingdom.

    And also visible to the naked eye.

    Acts 1:11 . . Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched him go into heaven.

    Rev 1:7 . . Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guyver View Post
    Why not? I can think of many terrible scriptures, any one of which could be judged more terrible than another in some way.
    It's now known positively that you consider Matthew 28:6 KJV, Mark 16:6 KJV, and Luke 24:6 KJV lies.

    'Just putting it out there.

    1st Corinthians 15:14 KJV
    "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idolater View Post
    Believe in Christ.
    Even Catholics maintain it’s more than just “Lord! Lord!...but the one who does the will of My Father who is in heaven what the church says to do and her traditions...”

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    John 6:53 . . Jesus said: "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you."

    John 6:54 . . .Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life,

    John 6:50-51a . . This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever.

    FAQ: Does any of the above apply to Old Testament personages, e.g. Able, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joshua. Ruth, Gideon, Samson, and David, et al?

    A: Yes; all of them.

    FAQ: How do you know that?

    A: Jesus' crucifixion benefits the whole world rather than only a portion of the world.

    John 6:51b . . the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.

    1John 2:2 . . He himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the whole world.

    John 1:29 . . Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

    FAQ: Did they even know about Jesus back then?

    A: Yes.

    Abraham knew.

    John 8:56 . . Abraham rejoiced to see my day, and he saw it and was glad.

    Jacob knew.

    Gen 49:18 . .I have waited for thy salvation, O Lord

    Isaiah knew.

    Isa 52:14 . .There were many who were appalled at him-- his appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any man and his form marred beyond human likeness

    Isa 53:6 . .We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

    David knew.

    Ps 16:10 . .You will not abandon me to the grave, nor will you let your Holy One see decay. (cf. Acts 2:25-36)

    FAQ: Well, if there was no such thing as a communion service until Jesus' last supper, then how did those people back there eat his flesh and drink his blood?

    A: Hook, line, and sinker; if you get my drift. For example:

    Many years ago, when I was a young welder just starting out in the trade, a Baptist man employed by the same company for whom I worked; asked me if I was going to heaven. Of course I replied that I didn't know: I was a Catholic, and Catholics don't know things like that. Then he asked me the question that put my life on a whole new track: Haven't you heard that Christ died for you?

    Of course I had heard of Christ's crucifixion in catechism, but not till that moment did I realize it was so personal, and especially; so complete.

    Coincidentally, I had only recently been doing some serious thinking about hell. The way I figured it; this kid would never be good enough to merit going to heaven, so hell was pretty much a foregone conclusion for the likes of me. But the very moment that man's question sank into my thick skull; I instantly knew that heaven was in the bag. I had swallowed the story about the offering of Jesus' flesh and blood for my sins hook, line, and sinker.

    Some may call me nave for so easily buying into Jesus' dying for my sins, but I don't feel nave; no, I feel very fortunate.

    Mark 10:15 . . I tell you the truth, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    Even Catholics maintain its more than just Lord! Lord!...but the one who does the will of My Father who is in heaven what the church says to do and her traditions...
    Those who believe authentic Catholicism believe what's in my signature:

    "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.
    "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idolater View Post
    Those who believe authentic Catholicism believe what's in my signature:

    "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.
    It is more than just believe...even Satan believes Yahushua is the Saviour and Son of Yah...

    “Here are they that KEEP the commandments of Yah and faith OF Yahushua”

    Follow Him His faith...He was not Buddhist btw or muslim

    Even the thief on the cross gave evidence FRUITS of his belief...

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    It is more than just believe...even Satan believes Yahushua is the Saviour and Son of Yah...

    “Here are they that KEEP the commandments of Yah and faith OF Yahushua”

    Follow Him His faith...He was not Buddhist btw or muslim

    Even the thief on the cross gave evidence FRUITS of his belief...
    Catholicism leaves it to us non-Catholics to define for ourselves what we mean when we profess that we believe in Christ. According to yourself, you believe in Christ. And so according to Catholicism, you believe in Christ.
    "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idolater View Post
    Catholicism leaves it to us non-Catholics to define for ourselves what we mean when we profess that we believe in Christ. According to yourself, you believe in Christ. And so according to Catholicism, you believe in Christ.
    Tell that to all the martyrs lost in horrific murders exactly because the church rejected their definition of a profession of belief in Christ...

    In fact the church killed them to prevent further profession of that heresy...to prevent them from further self incrimination and to preserve the true faith

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