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    Jesus is God vs. Jesus is YHVH

    Would you say

    Jesus is God

    or

    Jesus is YHVH?

    I have said the first but I don't like saying the second. Any ideas or ways to sort this out?
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    in beginning he created gods the heavens and the earth

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    Jesus is God.

    Thomas said, "My Lord and my God!".
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    in beginning he created gods the heavens and the earth

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    Jesus is God.

    "All the fullness of Deity dwells in Him in bodily form."
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    in beginning he created gods the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Would you say

    Jesus is God

    or

    Jesus is YHVH?

    I have said the first but I don't like saying the second. Any ideas or ways to sort this out?
    YHVH is God.

    Jesus is God.

    Ergo, Jesus is YHVH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    YHVH is God.

    Jesus is God.

    Ergo, Jesus is YHVH.
    Jesus taught us to pray to His Father and ours, YHVH.
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    in beginning he created gods the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Jesus taught us to pray to His Father and ours, YHVH.
    True.

    God is triune, Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

    Praying to the Father is still praying to God, YHVH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    True.

    God is triune, Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

    Praying to the Father is still praying to God, YHVH.
    God is our Father. The Father is God. Jesus is the Son. Jesus is the Son of God. Jesus is God.

    YHVH is God. The Father is God. The Son is God. The Spirit is God.

    When we pray to God we pray to YHVH. We do not pray to Jesus.
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    in beginning he created gods the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    God is our Father. The Father is God. Jesus is the Son. Jesus is the Son of God. Jesus is God.

    YHVH is God. The Father is God. The Son is God. The Spirit is God.

    When we pray to God we pray to YHVH.
    All of the above =

    We do not pray to Jesus.
    Why not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    All of the above =



    Why not?
    Jesus taught us to pray to our Father, God, or to God our Father.
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    in beginning he created gods the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    Jesus taught us to pray to our Father, God, or to God our Father.
    Paul prayed to Jesus:

    And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure.Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me.And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. - 2 Corinthians 12:7-9 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...9&version=NKJV

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Paul prayed to Jesus:

    And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure.Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me.And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. - 2 Corinthians 12:7-9 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...9&version=NKJV
    How does what you have here say that Paul prayed to Jesus?
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    in beginning he created gods the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    How does what you have here say that Paul prayed to Jesus?
    I'll highlight it for you:

    And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure.Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord] three times that it might depart from me.And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. - 2 Corinthians 12:7-9 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...9&version=NKJV

    PRAYER is simply communication with God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    I'll highlight it for you:

    And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure.Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord] three times that it might depart from me.And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. - 2 Corinthians 12:7-9 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...9&version=NKJV

    PRAYER is simply communication with God.
    I believe that you are saying that the Lord here is Jesus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    I believe that you are saying that the Lord here is Jesus.
    Jesus is referred to as the Lord several times in scripture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    I believe that you are saying that the Lord here is Jesus.
    Also, Jesus is the one who replied to Paul, and normally if someone is talking to someone else, you don't butt in and answer for them.

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