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    Quote Originally Posted by oatmeal View Post
    So you Christ rejecters, musterion and glorydaz....
    We not only accept Jesus Christ, but He is our Lord and God. You are the one who rejects Him.

    How is it that the apostles Paul and Peter and Philip did the same works as Jesus Christ but according to you John 14:12 does not apply to their lives and ministries?
    Signs and wonders are for the Jews. They require them. 1 Corinthians 1:22 For the Jews require a sign...


    Jesus Christ cast out devils, healed the sick spoke the truth, lived by God's word, so how dare the Christians do that as well?
    Our Lord Jesus Christ cast out devils and performed many signs and wonders, and so did the Apostles. There is a reason for that, Oats. The Jews required a sign. After God cast off Israel, those signs and wonders ceased.

    Are you an unbeliever because you don't see men being raised from the dead? Or because you don't see miracles? That's simply a sign of a man who lacks faith.

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    @oatmeal

    When is the last time you sold all that you own and gave the proceeds to the poor?

    When is the last time you ate Levitically unclean food? Or wore clothes of mixed fabrics?

    When is the last time you built an ark?
    "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
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    [most will be very surprised]


    Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
    By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    Bad logic.

    I do believe 100% all that He said is true.

    I do not believe He was speaking to or about me, but to a specific group at a specific time.

    If you can't see the difference there, nobody can help you.



    When is the last time you sold all that you own and gave the proceeds to the poor?

    When is the last time you ate Levitically unclean food? Or wore clothes of mixed fabrics?

    When is the last time you built an ark?



    Trolling your own thread now?
    Romans 15:4 makes the difference between what is directly written to Christians ie, Paul's epistles and what is written for our learning.

    Indeed, many unknowing Christians apply truths from the gospels to Christianity, which is an erroneous practice, but to suggest that everything Jesus Christ said in no way in any way applies to Christians is equally erroneous.

    That seems to be what you and glorydaz seem to be doing.


    So John 14:6 does not apply to you? Why not?

    What is the alternative? Is the apostle Paul now the way to the Father? Why isn't Jesus Christ the way to the Father for Christians?

    Is John 10:30 only apply to the lost sheep of the house of Israel?

    For Christians the Father and Jesus Christ are not one? That is, one in purpose?

    So for Christians, the opposite of John 10:10 is true? Has the thief and Jesus Christ exchanged roles for you and glorydaz?

    If you meant to say something else, you definitely need to learn to clarify your position for it is very evident that you are at best, communicating your ideas very very very poorly
    "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

    "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

    Pro scripture = Protestant

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    @oatmeal

    When is the last time you sold all that you own and gave the proceeds to the poor?

    When is the last time you ate Levitically unclean food? Or wore clothes of mixed fabrics?

    When is the last time you built an ark?

    Answer my questions first

    When you have answered what I have already asked, then will you deserve a reply from me about this post
    "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

    "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

    Pro scripture = Protestant

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    Quote Originally Posted by oatmeal View Post
    Answer my questions first

    When you have answered what I have already asked, then will you deserve a reply from me about this post
    I'm illustrating the point that your entire premise is so wrong that it's a waste of both your time and mine to address anything you've asked.

    An Acts 2 fundamental Baptist would probably give you the good time you're looking for (they share at least some of your presuppositions) but I'm not one of them anymore.

    PS

    The reason you don't do any of the things I listed, I'm sure you'll agree, is because God didn't tell YOU to do any of them. He told other people to do them. Which is the whole point.
    "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
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    Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
    By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oatmeal View Post
    Actually, the trinity is at best wrongly dividing the word of truth, at worst, it is willful idolatry

    Romans 1:20-23
    It's sad you don't acknowledge the Godhead as shown in Romans 1.

    But for you to ignore what scripture makes clear about our Lord Jesus Christ is truly your undoing.

    Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God...

    Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power....

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    Quote Originally Posted by oatmeal View Post
    Answer my questions first

    When you have answered what I have already asked, then will you deserve a reply from me about this post
    Deserve a reply from you? What kind of a freak are you, Oats? We are doing you the kindness of showing you the way to salvation, and you intimate we aren't worthy of your response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Oats, are you a Jew? I didn't know that.


    The Bible will never make sense to you until you can figure out what was written to the Jews...

    Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

    And what was written to the rest of us.

    Eph. 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:


    TO THE JEW FIRST. Keep that in mind, and you'll have no reason to be ashamed.


    Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

    Romans 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
    Are you from Ephesus?

    You are Galatian? Colossian?

    Are you Roman?

    Not one of these epistles was addressed to you Glorydaz...or your fan base...

    The entire NT was not to you...FOR you yes...



    That passage in Ephesians continues BTW

    Read verse 13...

    Verse 19 confirms we are citizens now...no longer foreigners...members of His household

    And yet you don’t wish to follow the house rules...that is rude...”oh those arent for me...I am raptured from those chores...no burden or yoke for me thanks...”

    You think the branch grafted in changes the trunk its roots?

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    Are you from Ephesus?

    You are Galatian? Colossian?

    Are you Roman?

    Not one of these epistles was addressed to you Glorydaz...or your fan base...

    The entire NT was not to you...FOR you yes...



    That passage in Ephesians continues BTW

    Read verse 13...

    Verse 19 confirms we are citizens now...no longer foreigners...members of His household

    And yet you don’t wish to follow the house rules...that is rude...”oh those arent for me...I am raptured from those chores...no burden or yoke for me thanks...”

    You think the branch grafted in changes the trunk its roots?
    What do you do when two parts you think are for you contradict and can't both be obeyed?
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    Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
    By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    What do you do when two parts you think are for you contradict and can't both be obeyed?
    Study this before concluding with the false witness He changed the customs Moses delivered...

    http://www.fogwhistle.ca/acts/evidence.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    It's sad you don't acknowledge the Godhead as shown in Romans 1.

    But for you to ignore what scripture makes clear about our Lord Jesus Christ is truly your undoing.
    Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God...

    Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power....
    Funny that he quoted a scripture passage with the word GODHEAD in it,
    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    That explains why your an idiot.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
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    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    Study this before concluding with the false witness He changed the customs Moses delivered...

    http://www.fogwhistle.ca/acts/evidence.html
    Why did you avoid answering the question?
    "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
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    Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
    By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oatmeal View Post
    Actually, the trinity is at best wrongly dividing the word of truth, at worst, it is willful idolatry
    There are zero Trinitarians who believe that Trinitarianism is idolatrous, so it's impossible for us to be "willful" idolaters. If we are idolaters, then we are ignorant idolaters.
    Quote Originally Posted by oatmeal View Post
    Romans 1:20-23

    For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

    21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

    22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

    23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
    The Lord Jesus is incorruptible. 1st Corinthians 15:42 KJV
    Quote Originally Posted by oatmeal View Post
    You have taken the image of God, (who is spirit, according the man Christ Jesus in John 4:24) and made him a man, not spirit.

    You deny the lamb of God, to you, the lamb of God is God, what a jumble of nonsense and confusion

    You might note the context, it is speaking of how men and women left heterosexuality and chose homosexuality instead of God's order of things

    Romans 1 does not paint a pretty future for trinitarians
    Not applicable. If we are idolaters, then we are ignorant idolaters.
    "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    Why did you avoid answering the question?
    Not getting the answer you expect is NOT avoiding the question...

    Pharisees learned that...

    Why did you reject my answer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    Not getting the answer you expect is NOT avoiding the question...
    Liar.
    "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
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    Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
    By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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