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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    You think?

    Yes because for Yah so loved only the Jews...and lucky for us they rejected...had they not rejected...oh boy would we be doomed...none of it for us dontcha know...

    Church thought that for centuries too...LOL...the Bible? NOT FOR YOU!!...we tell you...
    Can you get any more foolish?
    Looks like it, since you just keep on acting the fool.


    The Jews were to bring us to God. We would not have been "doomed" as you assert.


    Using scripture for reproof. Can you dig it?

    John 4:22
    Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    On the contrary. We are perfectly equiped to "get the job done".

    Each member, individually....preaching the Gospel of Salvation to the lost.

    That is our mission during this age. That and no other.
    I agree: we are equipped. We have The Holy Spirit. He is capable of giving us abilities beyond those restricted by the laws of physics and personal knowledge. He will bring us unto a Perfect Man, as Scripture says, which isn't possible, otherwise. There's too many who aren't supplying that which their 'joint' needs to supply to reach this goal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimiel View Post
    I agree: we are equipped. We have The Holy Spirit. He is capable of giving us abilities beyond those restricted by the laws of physics and personal knowledge. He will bring us unto a Perfect Man, as Scripture says, which isn't possible, otherwise. There's too many who aren't supplying that which their 'joint' needs to supply to reach this goal.
    He is capable, but He isn't doing so. The time for such is not in this current dispensation of Grace. It's simply NOT. You are expecting what was given to the Apostles..."abilities" that were for a witness to the Jews. They required a sign.

    The time of the Gentiles is a time of preaching the Gospel of Salvation. We are of the household of FAITH, and faith is NOT a matter of signs and wonders. We walk by faith not by sight, and you are simply being dishonest with yourself, and everyone who you put under this burden they cannot bear.

    You are not raising the dead and healing the blind, and no other members of the body are doing so either. We aren't being fed with manna from heaven, either. Right Division, my friend.

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    I don't buy into the heresy of Dispensationalism. It isn't Scriptural, it's conjecture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimiel View Post
    We have The Holy Spirit. He is capable of giving us abilities beyond those restricted by the laws of physics and personal knowledge.
    Amen.

    For:

    1 Corinthians 12:7 . . . the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
    8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
    9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
    10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
    11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

    And the Holy Spirit's gifts (1 Corinthians 12:8-10) which operate in Christians who have received Holy Spirit baptism (Acts 19:6, Acts 11:15-16, Acts 10:44-46) will not cease operating until Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming. For 1 Corinthians 13:8-12 means that just as only when children become adults do they put away childish things, so only when Christians become perfect when they see Jesus face to face at His Second Coming (1 John 3:2) will they no longer need Spiritual gifts such as prophecy, tongues, and the word of knowledge (1 Corinthians 12:8,10). During the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 which will just precede Jesus' Second Coming (Matthew 24:29-31), are some in the Church going to reject the ministry of God's Two Witnesses because it will involve them prophesying and performing miracles (Revelation 11:3,6)?

    Because Jesus Christ's Second Coming, like the preceding Tribulation, has not happened yet, all of the Holy Spirit's gifts are still operating in the Church today, in Pentecostal congregations, and in charismatic congregations, which can be of almost any denomination. God's Word commands Christians to operate in the Spiritual gifts when Christians come together (1 Corinthians 14:26-31). So congregations today should be careful not to quench the Holy Spirit (1 Thessalonians 5:19) by despising prophesyings (1 Thessalonians 5:20) or forbidding all speaking in tongues (1 Corinthians 14:39). Tongues are one of the Spiritual gifts (1 Corinthians 12:8-10) through which Christians can be regularly edified (1 Corinthians 14:4-5,12,26). Not all Holy Spirit-baptized Christians will speak in tongues (1 Corinthians 12:30), but almost all will (cf. Acts 19:6, Acts 10:45-46), for tongues are one of the Holy Spirit's lesser gifts (1 Corinthians 12:28; 1 Corinthians 14:5).

    Different Christians receive different kinds of tongues (1 Corinthians 12:10). Some tongues are languages which people can understand (Acts 2:4,8) while other tongues are languages which people cannot understand (1 Corinthians 14:2), not even the speakers (1 Corinthians 14:14). Unintelligible tongues could include ancient human languages which are unknown to history, ancient human languages which are known to history but are not understood, and angelic languages (1 Corinthians 13:1). Unintelligible tongues are not useless, however, for when they are prayed or sung privately to God without interpretation (1 Corinthians 14:2,28), they edify the spirits of those who speak or sing them (1 Corinthians 14:4,14-15, Jude 1:20) to bless and thank God (1 Corinthians 14:16). And when unintelligible tongues are prayed or sung out loud in a congregation and then Spiritually interpreted (1 Corinthians 12:10b-11), their interpretation edifies the whole congregation (1 Corinthians 14:5b,12-13,26). And when Christians sing in tongues to God, they are singing the "spiritual songs" which the Bible distinguishes from psalms and hymns (Ephesians 5:19, Colossians 3:16).

    The Bible sets no restrictions on how much Christians can pray and sing to God in tongues out loud at home or silently in church (1 Corinthians 14:28) (just as regular praying can be done silently: 1 Samuel 1:13,17, Nehemiah 2:4b). Indeed, the apostle Paul prayed and sung to God in tongues in private more than anyone (1 Corinthians 14:18-19). But regarding church meetings, the Bible sets strict rules on speaking tongues out loud: They are not to be spoken out loud in church meetings unless there is someone present who can Spiritually interpret them to the whole congregation (1 Corinthians 14:28). And even when a tongues-interpreter is present, at the most only three people should in turn speak out loud in unknown tongues, which should then be interpreted to the whole congregation (1 Corinthians 14:27). Everyone who has received the gift of tongues should be praying for the separate gift of the interpretation of tongues so that he or she can edify others (1 Corinthians 14:12-13; 1 Corinthians 12:10b).

    --

    Besides getting water baptized, Christians can get Holy Spirit baptized (Acts 11:15-16, Acts 10:44-46). They usually have to ask to receive the Holy Spirit (Luke 11:13b) baptism, for it is usually not given to them automatically at the moment that they become Christians. That is why the apostle Paul at one point asked some Christians: "Have ye received the Holy Spirit since ye believed?" (Acts 19:2).

    Christians usually receive Holy Spirit baptism through prayer accompanied by the laying on of hands, subsequent to water baptism (Acts 8:15-17, Acts 19:5-6). Again, Holy Spirit baptism will not result in the speaking in tongues for everyone (1 Corinthians 12:30), but for almost everyone, as tongues are one of the Spirit's lesser gifts (1 Corinthians 12:8-11,28; 1 Corinthians 14:5). Many Christians have not yet experienced Holy Spirit baptism simply because they have not yet asked for it, under the principle of: "ye have not, because ye ask not" (James 4:2b). Many Christians have not yet asked for it because they have come under the influence of mistaken teachings which say that it is no longer in effect. Christians can get hands laid on them to receive Holy Spirit baptism at any Pentecostal-type congregation, or at any charismatic-type congregation, which can be of almost any denomination.

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    Another one that lacks right division.

    Even Paul's sign gifts faded away as time went on. In the dispensation of the grace of God we live by faith and not by sight.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
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    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Can you get any more foolish?
    Looks like it, since you just keep on acting the fool.


    The Jews were to bring us to God. We would not have been "doomed" as you assert.


    Using scripture for reproof. Can you dig it?

    John 4:22
    Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
    So is it good parenting that if one of the kids rejects the house chores and disobeys that the parent changes the chores and houserules for the next kid to make it easier...and then again...you know make it easier for the kids to obey?

    “Oh ok...so these rules are NOT dispensed to you...as obviously they are too hard”...LOL


    The jew were indeed to bring us...but they even destroyed their own brothers causing them to make idols instead of worship in His House for ALL NATIONS just jews...

    Guest were invited to a wedding feast...they were too busy...so the next guest list was made...they TOO were expected to wear the wedding gown provided at the door...

    But here you are claiming it isnt dispensed to you...that robe of righteousness...

    Paul is clear to the Ephesians that goyim are sovereign citizens of Israel...and you would have the house divided...”oh we dont have to do that...that’s not for us”

    We establish the law...not teach it was abolished or NOT FOR US

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimiel View Post
    I don't buy into the heresy of Dispensationalism. It isn't Scriptural, it's conjecture.
    That is a comfort...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ktoyou View Post
    You are being too silly and sarcastic. You are going to have to act more mature if you wish to relate to me.
    Right...that’s why you wont answer what standard we are to live by...His or the world’s or man’s traditions...

    You do realize that it was false witness that claimed Yahushua changed the customs delivered by Moses yes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Put on your big boy pants, son.
    Ha...good one...

    Your "logic" is that of the natural man of the flesh.

    We're speaking of knowledge concerning the right division of the word of God.
    right...you rapture yourself out of most of it...as if the For Yah so loved the world...did not include you yours...and that WHOSOEVER that believeth did not...well you know...follow Him His way...but had a short cut...or had extra light NO burden...or a very easy NO yoke...





    Paul wrote to all believers under his dispensation of Grace.
    to Timothy to be specific...you are not Timothy...or recipient of any of the his letters...despite following Roman tradition

    It's not my fault that you can't see that.
    Oh I see that...I also see how in the OT when the church was in the wilderness there were already strangers and foreigners saved with them...happy to be counted as His people obedient to well you know...that ONE LAW for jews and goyim alike...did you see that?

    It’s in the sabbath commandment specifically...no other commandment is given to the non jew/israelite...lol

    Did you see that Paul understands that grafted branches are still expected to produce fruit similar to the trunk and root...NOT “do what thou whilst you are under grace” but MORE like HIM HIS WAY

    Copy me as I copy Christ...means establish Law...His...love as He loved...is keeping the Law...neat eh?

    Did you see that?





    Spoken like an elementary school boy trying for one-up-man-ship.
    Not all of us reject what we learned from our tutors...just rebellious ones...uncircumcised hearts and lawless minds...

    Unclean first inside unclean outside follows...by their fruits they are revealed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    It's a crime to read other people's mail.
    indeed so stick to the four gospels...LOL...the rest are letters...not written to you...


    That is unless the Holy Spirit is doing the dictating, and all who are spiritual are doing the reading.

    1 Corinthians 2:12-13
    12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

    Whatever Paul writes is addressed to the household of God.

    Eph. 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. 18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
    Yup there it is...NO DISTINCTION between jew and goy...that wall between them removed...Paul invites the goy to enter into the SAME KINGDOM...the SAME WAY...through Him...by faith...and obedient...just like in the OT...His House a House of prayer for ALL nations...every knee bows...worshipping Sabbath to Sabbath...

    Isaiah invites you too...

    Neat eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    No, the topic of the thread is why you aren't performing signs and wonders.
    Oatmeal asked wondering if it was due to unbelief...which is revealed in works more like Him and less like the world...actions like His..lifestyle like His...in the mighty works of the Holy Spirit that is given to those who obey...taught Peter Acts 5:32

    I mean even Satan believes...does signs and wonders...but does NOT have the Holy Spirit...for reasons just stated...

    And obviously his works are not like His...except maybe like when he made staffs turn to snakes too...copy cat counterfeiter...

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post


    to Timothy to be specific...you are not Timothy...or recipient of any of the his letters...despite following Roman tradition
    Proving you reject the Power of the Holy Spirit.

    If you think for one minute that Paul wrote his letters to a select few people who were alive during his day, then you might as well throw that big Book right out in the yard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimiel View Post
    I don't buy into the heresy of Dispensationalism. It isn't Scriptural, it's conjecture.
    You don't understand it. If you did, you wouldn't be saying that.

    One must ask....why Paul?

    Ephesians 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Another one that lacks right division.

    Even Paul's sign gifts faded away as time went on. In the dispensation of the grace of God we live by faith and not by sight.
    That's presumptuous. Scripture doesn't back that up. It's merely conjecture.
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