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    What is holding us back?

    John 14:12 did Jesus Christ say that those that believe on him would do the same works that he and greater works?

    Yes, he did.

    So why are not Christians doing that?

    It is because Christians who are not doing the same works and greater works are not believing.

    Why not?

    Why are we not one with the Father even as Jesus Christ is one with the Father? John 10:30

    If we are not one with the Father then who are we one with? The world? Sin? Satan? A denomination?

    What does it take to become one with the Father?

    What did it take for Jesus Christ to be one with the Father?

    He is God's son, so are we.

    I John 3:2
    Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

    Romans 8:14
    For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

    What ever is holding us back we need to mortify so we can be one with the Father as well
    "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

    "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

    Pro scripture = Protestant

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    Fear?

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    Don't know how?

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    How could you not know how?

    Would God have Jesus Christ say that without telling us how?

    Why isn't your denomination teaching you how to do what Jesus Christ said we can do?

    Was Jesus Christ wrong in John 14:12?

    So what excuses do you have?

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    Why don't we simply believe what is written?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oatmeal View Post
    Why don't we simply believe what is written?
    You really don't get it. It's what I tried telling you the other day (I think it was you) when you quoted from John and tried to apply it to yourself and everyone else. You're doing the same thing in the OP here.

    The reason people don't believe the same is because they don't believe the same.

    The reason they don't believe the same is because they're reading 100 different Bibles, even if they all use the same translation.

    That's the problem. That's why an idea like TOL is ultimately a waste of time when people don't/can't/won't agree on how the Bible is to be rightly understood.

    If that point is not settled, anything beyond that point is a complete and total waste of everyone's time. Any agreement they may have will be merely a matter of coincidental details; the fundamental chasm remains.

    The reason I stay here is because of the people who I align with, not the people I don't. They're pretty much immune to everything we say...but they'd say the same about us. And so would you.

    Why don't we simply believe what is written?
    Different Bibles. That's your answer.
    "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
    Terence Mc Lean

    [most will be very surprised]


    Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
    By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    Different Bibles. That's your answer.
    Different paradigms
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
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    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    This does not belong in the ECT.

    @oatmeal Please do not post in the ECT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    You really don't get it. It's what I tried telling you the other day (I think it was you) when you quoted from John and tried to apply it to yourself and everyone else. You're doing the same thing in the OP here.

    The reason people don't believe the same is because they don't believe the same.

    The reason they don't believe the same is because they're reading 100 different Bibles, even if they all use the same translation.

    That's the problem. That's why an idea like TOL is ultimately a waste of time when people don't/can't/won't agree on how the Bible is to be rightly understood.

    If that point is not settled, anything beyond that point is a complete and total waste of everyone's time. Any agreement they may have will be merely a matter of coincidental details; the fundamental chasm remains.

    The reason I stay here is because of the people who I align with, not the people I don't. They're pretty much immune to everything we say...but they'd say the same about us. And so would you.



    Different Bibles. That's your answer.
    So you don't believe John 14:12 because there are different Bibles?

    That is an excuse that I have hot heard before
    "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

    "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

    Pro scripture = Protestant

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman View Post
    This does not belong in the ECT.

    @oatmeal Please do not post in the ECT.
    Ah, another excuse for not believing John 14:12

    Did Jesus Christ say it or not?

    Evidently, you don't believe what Jesus Christ said.

    Too tough a question for you "Christian believers"?????

    Shame on you
    "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42

    "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" Philippians 2:2

    Pro scripture = Protestant

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    Oatmeal, ECT is for mainline Christian users. You deny the divinity of Christ. Please do not post there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oatmeal View Post
    So you don't believe John 14:12 because there are different Bibles?

    That is an excuse that I have hot heard before
    See, this is pointless. We may as well be speaking Swahili against Eskimo. Tried explaining it the other day, you didn't get it. Just tried again, you still don't get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oatmeal View Post
    Ah, another excuse for not believing John 14:12

    Did Jesus Christ say it or not?

    Evidently, you don't believe what Jesus Christ said.

    Too tough a question for you "Christian believers"?????

    Shame on you
    Okay, here it is point blank.

    JESUS WAS NOT SPEAKING TO OR ABOUT YOU. OR ME. OR ANYONE ELSE ALIVE TODAY.

    THE WORDS OF JOHN DO NOT APPLY TO YOU. THEY WERE FOR REPENTANT ISRAELITES.

    JOHN WAS NOT YOUR CHRIST-CHOSEN APOSTLE. PAUL WAS.

    CHRIST SPOKE AGAIN THROUGH PAUL, AND THROUGH PAUL SPEAKS TO YOU.

    PAUL IS THE ONE YOU SHOULD PREEMINENTLY HEED.

    Now having heard all that before, here comes the part where you reject every word of it, proving how pointless this is.
    "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
    Terence Mc Lean

    [most will be very surprised]


    Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oatmeal View Post
    So you don't believe John 14:12 because there are different Bibles?

    That is an excuse that I have hot heard before
    Colossians 1:27 was just kidding, everyone knows Jesus was a Jew outwardly like Romans 2:28-29 explains one is, good thing he wasn't an inward Jew or a democrat.

    Plus Christ in Jesus said some new age woo woo stuff like the kingdom of God Was in man, also scolded the wrong dividers of that day, Matt 23:13, for kingdom illiteracy along with temple amnesia, but they hadn't read Paul's writings so how would know? They didn't hear Christ in Jesus telling them where it had always been in the same location of the temple he rented a Samaritan demolition crew to destroy in three days, or was that actually spiritually discerned, well that's more woo woo to right dividers.
    Trying to awaken the divine principle in the belly of the fish.

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    It's something that God will have to do, obviously, by His Spirit. It will be sudden and it will cause The Body of Christ to arise together, world-wide in a last-ditch effort to bring as many as possible with us into The Kingdom of Heaven. We'll unite under His Banner of Love for one another, as never before and it will be soon.
    No Bueno.

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