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    Quote Originally Posted by Dartman View Post
    How would you define the difference between them? And, what variations are supportable by context?
    Why are you asking me? I now feel as if I am being led down a path that leads to a trap. The reason I feel this is I don't detect any sincereity in your words.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    Why are you asking me?
    Because you haven't given enough information yet for us to know precisely what you mean.

    Quote Originally Posted by T
    I now feel as if I am being led down a path that leads to a trap.
    If I am in error, I sincerely pray that someone will "trap" me.
    You only need to fear a "trap" if you don't have the truth, but are determined to cling to your current thinking.
    Quote Originally Posted by T
    The reason I feel this is I don't detect any sincereity in your words.
    Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dartman View Post
    Because you haven't given enough information yet for us to know precisely what you mean.

    If I am in error, I sincerely pray that someone will "trap" me.
    You only need to fear a "trap" if you don't have the truth, but are determined to cling to your current thinking.
    Why?
    If you haven't been granted understanding that is not my problem. Based on the scripture I gave you it is easily understood.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    If you haven't been granted understanding that is not my problem. Based on the scripture I gave you it is easily understood.
    ?? How would someone be "granted understanding" of YOUR point??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dartman View Post
    ?? How would someone be "granted understanding" of YOUR point??
    You are seriously confused.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

    "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm".

    I refuse, point blank, to speak peace to the unregenerate, hypocrites, religious dogma lovers and those that oppose the following statement:
    A regenerate man trusts in the evangelism of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed justness of Messiah alone.
    If you are fully persuaded, by experience, of this delightful, beautiful and life giving doctrine then I love you as a brother.

    Anyone who thinks that salvation is conditioned on anything a man thinks, does or says is atheist. I cannot and will not speak peace to him or her.

    I don't make statements online that I wouldn't repeat in front of my Maker, my grandmother or a judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    You are seriously confused.
    Well, I must admit, you are right.

    I AM confused by your behavior.

    You jump into a discussion, which as I stated is PERFECTLY fine on a discussion forum ..... but then you are too timid to even explain your meaning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dartman View Post
    So, what does the phrase "the word of God" mean here?
    It refers to The Third Person of The Trinity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dartman View Post
    So, what does the phrase "the word of God" mean here?
    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post

    Excuse me interupting. It means the rhema of Elohim.
    Quote Originally Posted by Apple7 View Post
    It refers to The Third Person of The Trinity.
    Now you all have piqued my interest. Tell us why you say this, Apple7. I hadn't ever realized that before, but I'm thinking you're correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Now you all have piqued my interest. Tell us why you say this, Apple7. I hadn't ever realized that before, but I'm thinking you're correct.

    The short version...


    The Word (Logos) of God = The Second Person of The Trinity

    The Word (Rhema) of God = The Third Person of The Trinity




    We are directly told, in Eph 6, who The Word (rhema) of God is, as thus…

    Eph 6.17

    Also, take "the helmet of salvation," and ‘The Sword of The Spirit’ which is (the) Word (rhema) of God; (Isa. 59:17 LXX-Isa. 11:4; MT-Isa. 49:2; LXX and MT-Hos. 6:5)

    Clearly, even in this one NT passage, we can see that The Word (rhema) of God is declared to be, in no uncertain terms, The Holy Spirit, the Third Person of The Trinity.

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    Greetings again Apple7,
    Quote Originally Posted by TrevorL View Post
    Luke 3:1–2 (KJV): 1 Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judaea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of Ituraea and of the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias the tetrarch of Abilene, 2 Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness. Was this Jesus that met John in the wilderness before the start of John’s ministry?
    Quote Originally Posted by Dartman View Post
    So, what does the phrase "the word of God" mean here?
    Quote Originally Posted by Apple7 View Post
    It refers to The Third Person of The Trinity.
    Did God the Holy Spirit assume a human form and tap John the Baptist on the shoulder and say, “This is the message that you will deliver”:
    Isaiah 40:3–8 (KJV): 3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. 4 Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain: 5 And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it. 6 The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field: 7 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the LORD bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass. 8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apple7 View Post
    The short version...


    The Word (Logos) of God = The Second Person of The Trinity

    The Word (Rhema) of God = The Third Person of The Trinity




    We are directly told, in Eph 6, who The Word (rhema) of God is, as thus…

    Eph 6.17

    Also, take "the helmet of salvation," and ‘The Sword of The Spirit’ which is (the) Word (rhema) of God; (Isa. 59:17 LXX-Isa. 11:4; MT-Isa. 49:2; LXX and MT-Hos. 6:5)

    Clearly, even in this one NT passage, we can see that The Word (rhema) of God is declared to be, in no uncertain terms, The Holy Spirit, the Third Person of The Trinity.
    Well, that is just totally awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrevorL View Post
    Greetings again Apple7,

    Did God the Holy Spirit assume a human form and tap John the Baptist on the shoulder and say, “This is the message that you will deliver”:
    Each passage is different.

    We do know that The Third Person of The Trinity has manifested in the flesh (i.e. as a Dove at Jesus' Baptism, and as Melchizdek in the OT), and in various other forms in the OT.




    Quote Originally Posted by TrevorL View Post
    Isaiah 40:3–8 (KJV): 3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD (Son) , make straight in the desert a highway for our God (Son) . 4 Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain: 5 And the glory of the LORD (Son) shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD (Son) hath spoken it. 6 The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field: 7 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the LORD (Holy Spirit) bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass. 8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God (Holy Spirit) shall stand for ever.

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    Your own quote declares it quite nicely.

    Interestingly, John 1 is referring to the One OT God as Triune and is proven to be true by reading the chapter context, as it then lists-out Father, Son & Holy Spirit.

    Father: John 1.14, 18
    Son: John 1.18, 34, 49
    Spirit: John 1.32 - 33



    We know that the second person of the Trinity was in the world from the beginning - and He came to His own, but the majority did not know Him, as thus…

    He was in the world, and the world came into being through Him, yet the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.(Jer 8.9, etc) But as many as received Him, to them He gave authority to become children of God, to the ones believing into His name, who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but were born of God. And the Word became flesh and tabernacled among us. And we beheld His glory, glory as of an only begotten from the Father, full of grace and of truth. John witnesses concerning Him, and has cried out, saying, This One was He of whom I said, He coming after me has been before me, for He was preceding me. And out of His fullness we all received, and grace on top of grace. For the Law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. No one has seen God at any time; but the unique One, Himself God, who is in the bosom of the Father, that One declares Him. (John 1.10 – 18)

    Scripture clearly informs the reader that the Word occupied flesh when He was in the world and that He was beheld as The Glory of God.


    That the second person of the Trinity occupied flesh before being born of a woman and being referred to as God The Son, is made crystal clear by John’s proclamation that ‘He coming after me has been before me, for He was preceding me’. This is a full admission that The Son was manifest before John’s time, during John's time, and after John’s time.

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    Greetings again Apple7,
    Quote Originally Posted by Apple7 View Post
    Each passage is different.
    We do know that The Third Person of The Trinity has manifested in the flesh (i.e. as a Dove at Jesus' Baptism, and as Melchizdek in the OT), and in various other forms in the OT.
    I am not interested in responding to the additional detail in your Post, but what I was asking is in what form or how did “the word of God come to John in the wilderness”. Seeing you have claimed that this was actually the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Trinity, the question to you then is in what form or how did the Third Person of the Trinity, The Holy Spirit “come to John in the wilderness”.

    My understanding of what occurred on the other hand is that John the Baptist was in the wilderness and the message, that is the Word of God the Father, that John was inspired to speak came into his consciousness, and when this Word comes upon a prophet, then he is borne along by the power of this to speak these words. I suggest that once again you have whitewashed the detail and the simple obvious meaning and then added the Trinity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrevorL View Post
    Greetings again Apple7,I am not interested in responding to the additional detail in your Post, but what I was asking is in what form or how did “the word of God come to John in the wilderness”. Seeing you have claimed that this was actually the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Trinity, the question to you then is in what form or how did the Third Person of the Trinity, The Holy Spirit “come to John in the wilderness”.

    My understanding of what occurred on the other hand is that John the Baptist was in the wilderness and the message, that is the Word of God the Father, that John was inspired to speak came into his consciousness, and when this Word comes upon a prophet, then he is borne along by the power of this to speak these words. I suggest that once again you have whitewashed the detail and the simple obvious meaning and then added the Trinity.

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    Luke 1.15 -17 declares how the Holy Spirit came to John, i.e. in the same fashion as that of Elijah in 2 Kings 2.

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    Greetings again Apple7,
    Quote Originally Posted by Apple7 View Post
    Luke 1.15 -17 declares how the Holy Spirit came to John, i.e. in the same fashion as that of Elijah in 2 Kings 2.
    Your response seems to be obscure as there does not seem to be a strong link between the two passages. Perhaps you could elucidate.

    Luke 1:15–17 (KJV): 15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb. 16 And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God. 17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.
    Luke 1:15-17 states that John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit from the womb, and thus I suggest that when it says that “the word of God came unto John in the wilderness” “in the fifteenth year of Tiberius Caesar” it is not speaking of the appearance of the so-called God the Holy Spirit, the 3rd Person of the Trinity as you claim.

    Luke 3:1–3 (KJV): 1 Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judaea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of Ituraea and of the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias the tetrarch of Abilene, 2 Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness. 3 And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;
    Rather it seems to connect the fact that the word of God came to John and the result was that this initiated the start of John the Baptist’s preaching and conducting baptism for the remission of sins.

    I do not see the connection between Luke 1:15-16 and 2 Kings 2, but perhaps you could explain. God does direct Elijah to relocate, but this seems to be different from Luke 1:15-16.
    2 Kings 2:1–2 (KJV): 1 And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal. 2 And Elijah said unto Elisha, Tarry here, I pray thee; for the LORD hath sent me to Bethel. And Elisha said unto him, As the LORD liveth, and as thy soul liveth, I will not leave thee. So they went down to Bethel.

    I also find it interesting that the opening of Elijah’s ministry appears to be partly on Elijah’s own initiative and he uses the expression “my word”, while “the word of the LORD” is mentioned independent of this, directing Elijah how he would be sustained during the drought.
    1 Kings 17:1–5 (KJV): 1 And Elijah the Tishbite, who was of the inhabitants of Gilead, said unto Ahab, As the LORD God of Israel liveth, before whom I stand, there shall not be dew nor rain these years, but according to my word. 2 And the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, 3 Get thee hence, and turn thee eastward, and hide thyself by the brook Cherith, that is before Jordan. 4 And it shall be, that thou shalt drink of the brook; and I have commanded the ravens to feed thee there. 5 So he went and did according unto the word of the LORD: for he went and dwelt by the brook Cherith, that is before Jordan.
    Also I reject that “the word of the LORD” here is the 2nd or 3rd Person of the Trinity, but a message from the One God, God the Father, Yahweh.

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