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    Quote Originally Posted by aikido7 View Post
    Paul’s plan for a communist-like early Christian community
    Paul was a capitalist, and Paul's plan for the early Christian community was also capitalist.

    1 Corinthians 3:8
    8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.



    Jesus was also a capitalist.

    Matthew 20:15
    15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?



    The early Christian community was also capitalist.

    Acts 5:4
    4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    perhaps this would be more productive if you supplied a definition of socialism
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    I think this task will turn out to be difficult.
    Socialism means many different things to different people.
    And there are thousands of different kinds of socialism.
    In other words, "socialism" means whatever you want it to mean in whatever context you want to use it and you don't want to be nailed down to having to use an actual definition of socialism?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    "state ownership of industry" - the military model fits this definition

    "state ownership of capital" - the military model does not fit this definition

    so, yes, some aspects of the military are socialist in nature

    others aren't


    similarly with roads, etc
    Are you claiming that ancient Rome, ruled by Emperors and a Senate, is a prime example of socialism?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Conservative democrats. Now, they are conservative republicans. They switched parties
    Your liberal overlords have taught you that lie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    Are you claiming that ancient Rome, ruled by Emperors and a Senate, is a prime example of socialism?
    i'd make the same argument - some aspects of ancient rome were socialist in nature, by the definition given

    that is very different from saying those aspects are examples of socialism

    for that to be true, both parts of the definition have to apply

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    socialism

    n
    1. a political theory advocating state ownership of industry


    2. an economic system based on state ownership of capital


    https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/socialism
    "state ownership of industry" - the military model fits this definition

    "state ownership of capital" - the military model does not fit this definition

    so, yes, some aspects of the military are socialist in nature

    others aren't
    It doesn't fit that "some" aspects of the military are socialist in nature.
    There is no "state ownership of industry" for the military.
    All the weapons, clothing, food, vehicles, and everything else used by the military are made by non-government capitalist corporations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    It doesn't fit that "some" aspects of the military are socialist in nature.
    There is no "state ownership of industry" for the military.
    All the weapons, clothing, food, vehicles, and everything else used by the military are made by non-government capitalist corporations.
    right, but they're owned by the military once they take delivery - they're not owned by the individual soldiers, for example

    having said that, the individual soldier does own some parts of the gear he is required to have, items of clothing, etc

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    so i'll go no further than saying "some aspects" meet that single part of the definition

    and resist those who want to overreach and say "thus, it is a socialist system"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    so i'll go no further than saying "some aspects" meet that single part of the definition

    and resist those who want to overreach and say "thus, it is a socialist system"
    Fair enough
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    Do we agree that we don't want or like socialism? Or is this about a definition and if we observe socialism anywhere in our country in an established way?
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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