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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    fool is a contractor - rebuilding doesn't mean "raze the existing structure and pour a new foundation"
    - it usually means "gut the interior and replace with new stuff"
    But no one was talking about rebuilding. The term certainly did't originate with the Green New Deal document. It originated with the chicken littles screaming about the sky falling.

    And, the document is specifically talking about the energy efficiency of buildings. So, my guess is they would be providing tax cuts or mandates etc for green technology regarding the energy systems of buildings. I don't think that would require rebuilding but it would require some........upgrading.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    But no one was talking about rebuilding. The term certainly did't originate with the Green New Deal document.
    the term used in the document is "upgrade"

    And, the document is specifically talking about the energy efficiency of buildings. So, my guess is they would be providing tax cuts or mandates etc for green technology regarding the energy systems of buildings. I don't think that would require rebuilding but it would require some........upgrading.
    research what they're doing in germany - you gut the inside of an existing building, install high efficiency vapor barriers and insulation on all the exterior walls, replace all the windows with triple paned, halogen filled, neon/argon glazed, blablabla (read:really really expensive). Then all the plumbing, in and out. Then all of the HVAC equipment, including the now necessary air exchanger with heat recovery capability.

    and you're right about guessing - you're guesses are as good as anyone else's, including those you call chicken littles

    if the GND is all about offering incentives, that's fine

    do you think that's all it will be about?

    or will it force compliance with negative incentives?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    the term used in the document is "upgrade"
    My point.

    research what they're doing in germany - you gut the inside of an existing building, install high efficiency vapor barriers and insulation on all the exterior walls, replace all the windows with triple paned, halogen filled, neon/argon glazed, blablabla (read:really really expensive). Then all the plumbing, in and out. Then all of the HVAC equipment, including the now necessary air exchanger with heat recovery capability.

    and you're right about guessing - you're guesses are as good as anyone else's, including those you call chicken littles
    The difference is that they are saying that is says things that it does not say. They are not saying 'it could be interpreted to mean' or 'it's insinuated'. They are telling their viewers or followers that the document says things that it does not.

    Just look at the OP if you need an example

    if the GND is all about offering incentives, that's fine

    do you think that's all it will be about?

    or will it force compliance with negative incentives?
    Who knows? I don't really understand why anyone gives a rather vague vision from a freshman rep any credence. It's not going to go anywhere. They're making this woman much more important than she actually is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    My point.



    The difference is that they are saying that is says things that it does not say. They are not saying 'it could be interpreted to mean' or 'it's insinuated'. They are telling their viewers or followers that the document says things that it does not.

    Just look at the OP if you need an example



    Who knows? I don't really understand why anyone gives a rather vague vision from a freshman rep any credence. It's not going to go anywhere. They're making this woman much more important than she actually is.
    apparently there's a "fact sheet" that accompanied the bill?

    as well, those who pay attention (i don't) have reams of information from AOC etal, speeches, position papers, interviews, campaign promises, etc, on which to base reasonable expectations

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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    Upgrading =/= rebuilding
    If something is built, and you take part of it away and put it back you are Rebuilding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    fool is a contractor -
    Ahem, "Construction Manager".
    Everyman is a voice in the dark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    But no one was talking about rebuilding. The term certainly did't originate with the Green New Deal document. It originated with the chicken littles screaming about the sky falling.

    And, the document is specifically talking about the energy efficiency of buildings. So, my guess is they would be providing tax cuts or mandates etc for green technology regarding the energy systems of buildings. I don't think that would require rebuilding but it would require some........upgrading.
    Who cares what it's called, it will cost money. Stacks and Stacks of money.
    Everyman is a voice in the dark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    the term used in the document is "upgrade"



    research what they're doing in germany - you gut the inside of an existing building, install high efficiency vapor barriers and insulation on all the exterior walls, replace all the windows with triple paned, halogen filled, neon/argon glazed, blablabla (read:really really expensive). Then all the plumbing, in and out. Then all of the HVAC equipment, including the now necessary air exchanger with heat recovery capability.

    and you're right about guessing - you're guesses are as good as anyone else's, including those you call chicken littles

    if the GND is all about offering incentives, that's fine

    do you think that's all it will be about?

    or will it force compliance with negative incentives?
    Probably both.
    Everyman is a voice in the dark.
    I II III IV

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    Just When you Thought Democrats Could not get any more STUPID

    1 The Democrats weren't "stupid enough" to promise that Mexico would pay for "THE WALL" and then wait for the Republicans to lose their majority in the House before deciding to get Congress to pay for it!

    2 The Democrats weren't stupid enough to close the federal government down for 35 days, announce to the public that they would shoulder the blame and then forced to reopen it with absolutely no "WALL" funding to show for it!

    3 Now the President will receive even less funding than he would have had in December.
    Republicans in Congress will refuse to indulge him in another government "shutdown," the conservative media is in open revolt concerning his failure to deliver and the Democrats will tie him up in the courts indefinitely over constitutional issues, if he attempts to declare a "national emergency" or diverts money from other sources!

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    Amiel , we have a pretty clean country now . But this is changing under Trump. He is allowing massive amounts of toxic waste and chemicals to be proud into our rivers, lakes, streams and reservoirs . If Trump is not stopped soon, we ARE at grave risk of losing the clean and safe water, food and air we enjoy . He doesn't give a you-know-what about the safety and welfare of the eAmerican people. All he's interested is his own profit .

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horn View Post
    Amiel , we have a pretty clean country now . But this is changing under Trump. He is allowing massive amounts of toxic waste and chemicals to be proud into our rivers, lakes, streams and reservoirs . If Trump is not stopped soon, we ARE at grave risk of losing the clean and safe water, food and air we enjoy . He doesn't give a you-know-what about the safety and welfare of the eAmerican people. All he's interested is his own profit .
    It seems "progressives" are a cynical lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horn View Post
    Amiel , we have a pretty clean country now . But this is changing under Trump. He is allowing massive amounts of toxic waste and chemicals to be proud into our rivers, lakes, streams and reservoirs . If Trump is not stopped soon, we ARE at grave risk of losing the clean and safe water, food and air we enjoy . He doesn't give a you-know-what about the safety and welfare of the eAmerican people. All he's interested is his own profit .
    All of us eAmerican people should organize a parade to celebrate the pride of the toxic waste and chemicals.
    Learn to read what is written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horn View Post
    (Trump) is allowing massive amounts of toxic waste and chemicals to be proud into our rivers, lakes, streams and reservoirs .
    link?

    cite?

    references?

    any support at all for the ridiculous nonsense you believe is true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post


    All of us eAmerican people should organize a parade to celebrate the pride of the toxic waste and chemicals.
    an eparade

    with pinching finger emojis leading the parade and drop of blood emojis bringing up the rear
    Last edited by ok doser; February 14th, 2019 at 03:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    an eparade
    I almost used that spelling, but couldn't get it to work.
    It sounds more like an untranslatable spanish/french/portugese word than something that means "electronic parade".
    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    with pinching finger emojis leading the parade and drop of blood emojis bring up the rear
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