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    Abortion and the Right To Stay Alive

    Abortion and the Right To Stay Alive
    By Andrew P. Napolitano
    February 7, 2019

    Much has been made lately of language in a recently enacted New York state statute that permits abortion up to the time of birth if necessary to preserve the life or health of the mother. New Jersey has had the same provision for two generations via a regulation of the Board of Medical Examiners.

    Sadly, when New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo signed the new legislation into law two weeks ago, he did so in a joyful and celebratory atmosphere. What moral person could find joy in this?

    No society that permits the active or passive killing of people because they are unwanted can long survive. No society that defines away personhood has any claim to knowing right from wrong. Whose personhood will the government define away next?
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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    Abortion and the Right To Stay Alive
    By Andrew P. Napolitano
    February 7, 2019

    Much has been made lately of language in a recently enacted New York state statute that permits abortion up to the time of birth if necessary to preserve the life or health of the mother. New Jersey has had the same provision for two generations via a regulation of the Board of Medical Examiners.

    Sadly, when New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo signed the new legislation into law two weeks ago, he did so in a joyful and celebratory atmosphere. What moral person could find joy in this?

    No society that permits the active or passive killing of people because they are unwanted can long survive. No society that defines away personhood has any claim to knowing right from wrong. Whose personhood will the government define away next?



    not sure how the new jersey law is written, but the new york law has this wording:


    In other words, women may choose to have an abortion prior to 24 weeks; pregnancies typically range from 38 to 42 weeks. After 24 weeks, such decisions must be made with a determination that there is an “absence of fetal viability” or that the procedure is “necessary to protect the patient’s life or health.”



    "the patient's health" is not defined, however:


    In what is considered a companion case, Doe v. Bolton, the U.S. Supreme Court held that “medical judgment may be exercised in the light of all factors — physical, emotional, psychological, familial, and the woman’s age — relevant to the wellbeing of the patient. All these factors may relate to health. This allows the attending physician the room he needs to make his best medical judgment.”



    and so, a pregnant woman can find a doctor, tell him that she wants to end the pregnancy, that the thought of becoming a mother is making her anxious, depressed, nauseous and that she has had instances of suicidal ideation and based on that, the doctor can kill the child, all the way up to delivery

    and if the baby leaves the womb alive, it can be simply left to die and discarded as medical waste.

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    Abortion and the Right To Stay Alive

    Conservatives may claim t be ProLife, but they also are strong supporters of the death penalty - if the human life of the unborn is sacred, then all life is sacred!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
    Abortion and the Right To Stay Alive

    Conservatives may claim t be ProLife, but they also are strong supporters of the death penalty - if the human life of the unborn is sacred, then all life is sacred!
    The very reason to have the death penalty is that life is sacred. Anyone who takes a life on purpose should be put to death. Self-defense or defending others' lives might make it necessary to take a life, but those who murder need to die. No murderer has any place in eternal life. That includes abortion doctors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
    Conservatives may claim t be ProLife
    yes, in the context of being opposed to murdering innocent children

    , but they also are strong supporters of the death penalty

    well, not in the case of innocent children

    i would be opposed to applying the death penalty to innocent children

    how about you?

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    I like Judge Napolitano's closing paragraphs, from the article cited in the OP:

    The dirty secret of abortion law is that mothers and abortion physicians may legally let unwanted babies born alive suffer and die with impunity. What about personhood? Isn't a living baby a person entitled to the equal protection of the laws? Under the natural law, yes. Under the Constitution, yes. Under Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton, no.

    No society that permits the active or passive killing of people because they are unwanted can long survive. No society that defines away personhood has any claim to knowing right from wrong. Whose personhood will the government define away next?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimiel View Post
    I like Judge Napolitano's closing paragraphs, from the article cited in the OP:

    The dirty secret of abortion law is that mothers and abortion physicians may legally let unwanted babies born alive suffer and die with impunity. What about personhood? Isn't a living baby a person entitled to the equal protection of the laws? Under the natural law, yes. Under the Constitution, yes. Under Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton, no.

    No society that permits the active or passive killing of people because they are unwanted can long survive. No society that defines away personhood has any claim to knowing right from wrong. Whose personhood will the government define away next?
    What secret! They said it out loud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimiel View Post
    I like Judge Napolitano's closing paragraphs, from the article cited in the OP:

    The dirty secret of abortion law is that mothers and abortion physicians may legally let unwanted babies born alive suffer and die with impunity. What about personhood? Isn't a living baby a person entitled to the equal protection of the laws? Under the natural law, yes. Under the Constitution, yes. Under Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton, no.

    No society that permits the active or passive killing of people because they are unwanted can long survive. No society that defines away personhood has any claim to knowing right from wrong. Whose personhood will the government define away next?

    try to get a pro-abort to explain why a mother shouldn't be allowed to kill an unwanted child after birth

    they can't

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
    Abortion and the Right To Stay Alive

    Conservatives may claim t be ProLife, but they also are strong supporters of the death penalty - if the human life of the unborn is sacred, then all life is sacred!
    Isn't it more insane to say that we shouldn't be killing criminals but it's okay to kill the innocent unborn?

    The death penalty is just that - a penalty - instituted for the taking of a life that has committed something deemed worthy of death.

    El Chapo was just convicted of multiple counts stemming from his drug running enterprise. How many lives have been destroyed by these illegal drugs that serve one purpose (addiction and perpetual dependence if not physical ruin)? How many people have been killed - directly - by El Chapo and/or his men? And yet he is going to a Supermax prison where he will stay in a 12x7 cell for the rest of his natural life. All because we don't think it's humane to render life for life? Yet taking the life of someone who has done nothing wrong - out of no other reason than the convenience of the mother - is considered right??!??
    If God promises life, He slayeth first; when He builds, He casteth all down first. God is no patcher; He cannot build on another's foundation. - William Tyndale

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