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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    A wall doesn't say "Stay Out!" or "Go Away!"

    A wall says "Use The Door"

    I wonder if those people who are irrationally opposed to Trump's wall understand that there will be doors
    I agree but there is a better way to articulate the issue.
    Claiming these people are racists, rapists, murderers is a bold face lie that distorts instead of clearing up this issue.
    at least in my point of view of things

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesdyson View Post
    Claiming these people are racists, rapists, murderers is a bold face lie ...
    not so

    certainly not all of them are, but even one is too many to tolerate

    and the number is demonstrably much greater than one

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    Quote Originally Posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
    [*]Government shutdown because of Nancy and Crying Chuck reneging on their promise to negotiate
    You know the above is a lie and you stated it anyway. All I ask is the next time to go to church, confess to your preacher that you lied and then ask for forgiveness

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    Oh yes: That last bullet point will trigger the crisis declaration.
    Trump is the crisis

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    The Wall WILL Be Built

    Obviously the Republicans in the House and Senate never wanted "THE WALL" - otherwise the legislation would have been enacted in the first 2 years when they had majorities in the House and Senate!

    The Democrats are not responsible for funding a Trump WALL especially an election promise that assured the American electorate that it would be financed by the Mexicans - by never brokered a prior agreement before making that commitment means this Presidents "owns" the problem!

    The Congressional Republicans are also opposed to The Donald" arbitrarily declaring a "national emergency" - even if the President was able to surmount the constitutional challenges, it would set a precedent that would allow the Democrats in the future to bypass Congress when implementing their own priorities!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    not so

    certainly not all of them are, but even one is too many to tolerate
    one (1) in a thousand (1,000) perhaps but we have our own murderers and rapists and thieves right here in the USA who are white for a better word. With that in mind shouldn't Mexico bar Americans from entering or Europe banning our entry as well--?

    what goes around comes around

    and the number is demonstrably much greater than one[/QUOTE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesdyson View Post
    Trump is incapable of thinking; trump is a reactionist, like a fly on the wall and we all know what to do if you find a fly on your wall.
    (:-
    Ignorant posts like that are not worth the space they're taking up on the internet, and that ain't much
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesdyson View Post
    You know the above is a lie and you stated it anyway. All I ask is the next time to go to church, confess to your preacher that you lied and then ask for forgiveness



    Trump is the crisis
    Does your mom know you're playing with her computer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesdyson View Post
    one (1) in a thousand (1,000) perhaps
    it's impossible to say, because most crime happens within group, within community, which means that most crime committed by illegal immigrants is perpetrated against members of that community - and they don't report crime to the police for reasons that should be obvious


    but we have our own murderers and rapists and thieves right here in the USA who are white for a better word.
    yep, a lot of them are white Americans

    a lot more are black Americans and Hispanic Americans

    With that in mind shouldn't Mexico bar Americans from entering
    they do


    or Europe banning our entry as well--?
    they do as well

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    Let's see...

    Americans don't want a wall by a huge margin.
    WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Sixty percent of Americans oppose major new construction of walls along the U.S.-Mexico border -- the goal behind President Donald Trump's budget showdown with Democratic leaders that led to a record 35-day partial shutdown of the federal government.

    The shutdown, which ended Jan. 25, and the political battles that preceded it over the past several months have had little apparent effect on public opinion about a wall. Fifty-seven percent opposed major new construction of walls seven months ago,


    Trump couldn't get it done when he controlled the WH and both houses of Congress.
    He let Pelosi goad him into admitting he was responsible for the shutdown, his only chance of getting it done,

    His approval rate tanked when he tried shutting down the government to get his way.
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...oval-6179.html

    A large majority don't want him declaring an emergency to get funding by decree:
    Two-thirds of Americans oppose President Donald Trump declaring a national emergency if Congress doesn’t offer up the funds he wants to build a wall on the U.S.-Mexican border, a CBS News poll released Sunday shows.

    Most survey respondents -- 73 percent -- also said they want Trump to continue negotiating while keeping the government open, rather than forcing another shutdown when funding expires again in mid-February. Two-thirds of Americans oppose President Donald Trump declaring a national emergency if Congress doesn’t offer up the funds he wants to build a wall on the U.S.-Mexican border, a CBS News poll released Sunday shows.

    Most survey respondents -- 73 percent -- also said they want Trump to continue negotiating while keeping the government open, rather than forcing another shutdown when funding expires again in mid-February.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-wall-cbs-poll

    Peolosi now says there will be no funding for the wall.

    Doesn't look very likely, does it?
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    Barbara has posted the LIES from fake news media. (Barbara loves lies.) By the way, how are those polls going that say Hillary is winning?

    Now let's hear from some border agents, most of whom are Hispanic by the way:





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    Quote Originally Posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
    I assume you are kidding.
    No, I am not. Get over it. It was a heavily subsidized country before its disaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SabathMoon View Post
    No, I am not. Get over it. It was a heavily subsidized country before its disaster.
    Get over what? Politically speaking it's a stupid idea

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    There's a small but significant likelihood that not being re-elected might mean time time in Club Fed. So I think he's going to do everything he can to get re-elected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
    Barbara has posted the LIES from fake news media. (Barbara loves lies.) By the way, how are those polls going that say Hillary is winning?
    (Barbarian checks)

    I use Real Clear Politics average of polls, because it's always been more accurate than any sincle poll. And it says...

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...nton-5491.html

    Clinton by 4.2% of popular vote. Actual result was Clinton by 3.1 in the popular vote.

    Let's see what border security people actually say when the boss isn't prompting them:
    Border Guards Show Wall Won't Work
    During a South Texas visit, Donald Trump again stated his case that a wall along the Mexican border is the only way to prevent criminals from sneaking into the US, part of his renewed campaign to get funding for the project.

    The US president made his pitch today (Jan. 10) at a roundtable on border security, flanked by mounds of seized drugs, cash, and weapons that he presented as evidence of the border crisis he claims his proposed physical barrier would stop.

    Except many of those items were actually intercepted at legal ports of entry, not the in-between places Trump wants to wall off.

    It’s yet another reality check on Trump’s pet project. Experts have been pointing out the logistic and legal impracticalities of building a wall across the entire length of the US-Mexico border since then-candidate Trump made it a keystone campaign promise.

    They have also argued that a physical barrier will do little to address the very real immigration and drug trafficking problems the US is facing. The showcase prepared by Homeland Security officials for Trump’s visit shows why.

    Take the 117 kilos of methamphetamines and 12 kilos of heroin they neatly piled up. Officials at a port of entry discovered them after screening a commercial load with X-ray technology and sniffing dogs. Statistics show stashing illegal cargo in vehicles and driving through ports of entry is the most common way of smuggling in meth and heroin, drugs that are fueling an overdose epidemic in the US.

    Also seized at a port of entry: Three gold-plated guns encrusted with diamonds.

    In another exhibit, DHS agents touted their discovery of a tunnel, built under a border section that is already protected by a wall. At least one seizure, of an AK-47 assault rifle, happened on the US side of the border, after officers spotted a nervous driver headed into Mexico.

    https://qz.com/1520651/border-patrol...all-wont-work/

    Now let's hear from some border agents, most of whom are Hispanic by the way



    Border Security Personnel Don't Want a Wall
    WASHINGTON — President Trump has called for a wall along the border with Mexico to stop undocumented immigrants and drugs from entering the United States. But Border Patrol agents on the front lines say they need more technology and additional personnel to curb the illegal traffic, according to a report released on Thursday by Democrats on the Senate Homeland Security Committee.

    The report was based on internal Customs and Border Protection documents from the 2017 fiscal year. It concluded that less than one half of 1 percent of the agents’ suggestions to secure the Southwest border mentioned the need for a wall.
    ...
    The documents show that the Border Patrol identified what it called 902 “capability gaps,” or vulnerabilities, on the Southwest border. The word “wall” was suggested as a possible solution for just three of those gaps.

    Agents mentioned a “fence” or “fencing” as a possible solution 34 times — less than 4 percent of the 902 vulnerabilities identified, the report found.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/22/u...democrats.html

    As you now realize, border security people, like the overwhelming majority of Americans, realize a wall won't work. And they should know; they are the ones who patrol the border.

    As even some conservatives now admit, the wall won't work. It's not about stopping illegal immigration; it's about a monument to Trump:

    "And do you a beautiful nice precast plank with beautiful everything. Just perfect. I want it to be so beautiful because maybe someday they'll call it The Trump Wall. Maybe. So I have to make sure it's beautiful, right? I'll be very proud of that wall. If they call at this The Trump Wall, it has to be beautiful."
    Donald Trump -https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/08/19/trump_on_border_maybe_theyll_call_it_the_trump_wal l.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    .....I use Real Clear Politics average of polls......

    Real Clear Politics is a joke just like your posts are. I use real border agents.

    Border Patrol Chief: 'We Certainly Need a Wall, Any Agent Will Tell You That'
    Border Patrol Chief: 'We Certainly Need a Wall, Any Agent Will Tell You That'

    The head of the U.S. Border Patrol said Sen. Chuck Schumer, Sen. Bernie Sanders and others on the left are incorrect when they claim a wall is not a useful tool to stop illegal immigration.
    "We certainly do need a wall. Talk to any border agent and they will tell you that," Chief Carla Provost said on "Your World."

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