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    Principles of Spiritual Growth

    In the following verse the Apostle Peter tells the Christian how to grow:

    "But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ" (2 Pet.3:18).

    Norman Douty offers some helpful advice as to how to accomplish this:

    "If I am to be like Him, then God in His grace must do it, and the sooner I come to recognize it the sooner I will be delivered from another form of bondage. Throw down every endeavor and say, I cannot do it, the more I try the farther i get from His likeness. What shall I do? Ah, the Holy Spirit says, You cannot do it; just withdraw; come out of it. You have been in the arena, you have been endeavoring, you are a failure, come out and sit down, and as you sit there behold Him, look at Him. Don't try to be like Him, just look at Him. Just be occupied with Him. Forget about trying to be like Him. Instead of letting that fill our mind and heart, let Him fill it. Just behold Him, look upon Him through the Word. Come to the Word for one purpose and that is to meet the Lord. Not to get your mind crammed full of things about the sacred Word, but come to meet the Lord. Make it to be a medium, not of Biblical scholarship, but of fellowship with Christ" (Miles J. Stanford, Principles of Spiritual Growth [Lincoln, NE: Back to the Bible, 1991], 26-27).

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    The question that interests me for this thread is what relationship is there, in dispensationalist theology, between spiritual growth and these New Testament scriptures:

    Becoming born again by the Spirit (John 3: 1-6), being transformed by the renewing of their minds (Romans 12: 2), a transformation that makes them new creatures or creations (II Corinthians 5: 17, Galatians 6: 15), with Christ in them, the hope of glory (Colossians 1: 27), and makes them part of the Israel of God (Galatians 6: 15-16)

    Dispensationalists sometimes divide these six scriptures in some way from one another, so that, for example being born again in John 3: 1-6 means something different from being transformed by the renewing of your mind in Romans 12: 2. And so dispensationalists might think that Spiritual Growth has a meaning different from any one or more of these scriptures listed above.

    The literalist "Hermeneutic" of dispoensationalism might lead dispensationalists to make strong separations between the meaning of one or more of these scriptures listed. As a result of the use of the Literalistic "Hermeneutic" dispensationalists might want to apply different gist meanings to John 3: 1-6, Romans 12: 2, II Corinthians 5: 17,and Colossians 1: 27. The concept of a gist meaning itself may not be a part of the Literalist Hermeneutic.

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    If a person knows when the present dispensation began then he will know that the following things play no part in his own spiritual growth:

    "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover"
    (Mk.16:15-18).

    If a Christian thinks these gifts belong to him at the present time then his growth will be stunted. Before a Christian can grow it is absolutely necessary to understand which things belong to the present dispensation and which things do not.

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    O to be like Thee! O to be like Thee!
    Blessed Redeemer, pure as Thou art;
    Come in Thy sweetness, come in Thy fullness;
    Stamp Thine own image deep on my heart.
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    In beginning He created God the heavens and the earth

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    "And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lordís glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit" (2 Cor.3:16-18).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    If a person knows when the present dispensation began then he will know that the following things play no part in his own spiritual growth:

    "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover"
    (Mk.16:15-18).

    If a Christian thinks these gifts belong to him at the present time then his growth will be stunted. Before a Christian can grow it is absolutely necessary to understand which things belong to the present dispensation and which things do not.
    Haven't read that 'dispensation' verse that disposed of the Gifts of The Holy Spirit. I thank God that He gave the five-fold ministry gifts to The Church: Pastors, Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists and Teachers. He also still gives the gifts of The Spirit to whomsoever will trust Him in that regard:

    Word of wisdom;
    Word of knowledge;
    Faith;
    Gifts of healings;
    Miracles;
    Prophecy;
    Discerning of spirits, and;
    Tongues.

    If you don't believe God for these things, there's no punishment or anything, but these gifts are from God and they're available; you just have to believe His Word and trust Him. Believing someone who doesn't believe in these things isn't wise, since they're obviously not taking God at His Word. He doesn't take back gifts that He gives. He is a Giver. He is still alive and He wants to give good gifts to His Children.
    "Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets." -- Amos 3:7

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    Instead of focusing upon preaching the Gospel of Christ, dispensationalists on TOL now focus upon the issue of making divisions in the Gospel of Christ in the New Testament. This attention to issues of a systematic theology with all its theologically correct divisions does not lead people to become born again (John 3: 1-6), become transformed by the renewing of your mind (Romans 12: 2), becoming a new creature or creation (II Corinthians 5: 17 and Galatians 6: 15), having Christ in you, which is the hope of glory (Colossians 1: 27) and becoming part of the Body of Christ (Ephesians 2: 16) which is also the same as becoming part of the Israel of God (Galatians 6: 15-16).

    What these New Testament scriptures teach is interpreted by Reformation Theology. You can use the commentaries by John Calvin to get an idea of what Reformation Theology says on these scriptures.

    Dispensationalism is in opposition to or is the anti-thesis (I Timothy 6: 20-21) to Reformation Theology. Dispensationalists claim that Reformation Theology is "Replacement Theology,"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimiel View Post
    Gifts of healings
    Since many claim to have that gift then why haven't we seen a public healing like the one described here?:

    "Now Peter and John went up together into the temple at the hour of prayer, being the ninth hour. And a certain man lame from his mother's womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms of them that entered into the temple; Who seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple asked an alms. And Peter, fastening his eyes upon him with John, said, Look on us. And he gave heed unto them, expecting to receive something of them. Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk. And he took him by the right hand, and lifted him up: and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength. And he leaping up stood, and walked, and entered with them into the temple, walking, and leaping, and praising God. And all the people saw him walking and praising God: And they knew that it was he which sat for alms at the Beautiful gate of the temple: and they were filled with wonder and amazement at that which had happened unto him. And as the lame man which was healed held Peter and John, all the people ran together unto them in the porch that is called Solomon's, greatly wondering" (Acts 3:1-10).

    Aimiel, have you had a good dose of deadly poison today to see if you will harm you or not?

    "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover" (Mk.16:16-18).

    If not, why not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by northwye View Post
    Instead of focusing upon preaching the Gospel of Christ, dispensationalists on TOL now focus upon the issue of making divisions in the Gospel of Christ in the New Testament. This attention to issues of a systematic theology with all its theologically correct divisions does not lead people to become born again (John 3: 1-6), become transformed by the renewing of your mind (Romans 12: 2), becoming a new creature or creation (II Corinthians 5: 17 and Galatians 6: 15), having Christ in you, which is the hope of glory (Colossians 1: 27) and becoming part of the Body of Christ (Ephesians 2: 16) which is also the same as becoming part of the Israel of God (Galatians 6: 15-16).
    Dispensationalists preach the gospel of grace all the time. They also preach, unlike the Calvinists, that Christ "tasted death for every man" (Heb.2:9) and not for just some men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Since many claim to have that gift then why haven't we seen a public healing like the one described here?:

    (Bible quote deleted for brevity)
    I have. Whether you believe in God's Healing Power or not is up to you. It's available, whether you ever avail yourself of it or not is up to you.
    Aimiel, have you had a good dose of deadly poison today to see if you will harm you or not?
    I would never tempt God but I do believe that, should I need Him to: He'd protect me from such an attack as Paul suffered. I have faith in The Living God, not in a god who only operated in the past but not today.
    "Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets." -- Amos 3:7

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimiel View Post
    I have.
    Benny Hinn doesn't count!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Benny Hinn doesn't count!
    I wasn't basing my beliefs on a man. I've seen healings through the laying on of my own hands.
    "Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets." -- Amos 3:7

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimiel View Post
    I've seen healings through the laying on of my own hands.
    Why is there not documentary evidence, evidence which cannot be questioned, where a healing like the following one has been performed?:

    "Now Peter and John went up together into the temple at the hour of prayer, being the ninth hour. And a certain man lame from his mother's womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms of them that entered into the temple; Who seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple asked an alms. And Peter, fastening his eyes upon him with John, said, Look on us. And he gave heed unto them, expecting to receive something of them. Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk. And he took him by the right hand, and lifted him up: and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength. And he leaping up stood, and walked, and entered with them into the temple, walking, and leaping, and praising God. And all the people saw him walking and praising God: And they knew that it was he which sat for alms at the Beautiful gate of the temple: and they were filled with wonder and amazement at that which had happened unto him. And as the lame man which was healed held Peter and John, all the people ran together unto them in the porch that is called Solomon's, greatly wondering" (Acts 3:1-10).

    If such a healing of this type is being performed today then many witnesses could testify that the healed person was lame from his birth and they actually saw him being healed in the name of the Lord Jesus and there is video evidence of such a healing.

    Evidence like that would make the headlines of newspapers across the world but there has never been any solid evidence like what I just mentioned. Why is that?

    It is because healing and miracles belonged to a past dispensation. If you want more info on this subject read "SPIRIT MANIFESTATIONS AND THE GIFT OF TONGUES" by Sir Robert Anderson:

    http://www.newble.co.uk/anderson/gifts.html

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    "Dispensationalists preach the gospel of grace all the time. They also preach, unlike the Calvinists, that Christ "tasted death for every man" (Heb.2:9) and not for just some men. "

    Read the commentaries by John Calvin on John 3: 1-6, Romans 12: 2, II Corinthians 5: 17, Galatians 6: 15, Colossians 1: 27, and Galatians 6: 15-16. This is an important part of Reformation Theology, which emphasizes the transformation of the individual in Jesus Christ.

    A vigorous American Christianity, which emphasizes that transformation of the individual in John 3: 1-6, Romans 12: 2, II Corinthians 5: 17, Galatians 6: 15, Colossians 1: 27, and Galatians 6: 15-16, could oppose and successfully defeat that attack upon it by the Left under Marxism and could protect an older Northern Renaissance and Reformation Culture derived from Reformation Theology in the vigorous Christianity.

    But that Reformation Theology has been weakened from within by a theology which is more interested in making divisions in the New Testament Gospel than it is in that transformation by the Holy Spirit.

    It may be that in their focus on the divisions of their particular form of dispensationalism, many of the TOl dispensationalists do not know that there was once a vigorous American Protestant Christianity - based upon Reformation Theology - which came out of the Great Awakening of the 18th century, before the Revolutionary War.

    Dispensationalism focuses its attention upon the multitude, when in fact it is that multitude, in part led by dispensationalism, which is following a theology which disagrees with many New Testament scriptures. When the multitude goes off into false doctrines God raises up a remnant to continue his plan of redemption.

    But dispensationalists cannot admit that there is a prophecy about a remnant existing in the time of the Church Age in Revelation 12: 15-17. I have never seen anything ever mentioned about Revelation 12: 15-17 by a dispensationalist on TOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by northwye View Post
    Dispensationalism focuses its attention upon the multitude, when in fact it is that multitude, in part led by dispensationalism, which is following a theology which disagrees with many New Testament scriptures.
    Please be more specific. In what way does it disagree with NT scriptures? Just name one or as many was you want.

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