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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    What you did was evil and there is nothing wrong with telling you that.
    what you do to avoid a gift reject His grace is evil...

    Isaiah 66:23 will not be for you then...

    Now you are contradicting yourself. Shame on you.
    contradicted? We didnt want what He wanted which was that we learn Mercy rather than sacrifice...but they wanted the temple...

    And you want to rapture yourself from a day off...a day of rest is too much work for you...LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Too bad you are blind to what our Lord accomplished on the Cross. He is the END OF THE LAW FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS for those who believe.
    Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

    That means, the law has no more dominion over us. Our righteousness comes from FAITH in our Lord's work on the cross...NOT from our attempts to be righteous.
    This is just another topic about which you are confused. The fact that Jesus completed the Mosaic Law, and "took it out of the way" does NOT indicate a follower of Jesus shouldn't keep JESUS' Commandments!!

    John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
    Quote Originally Posted by G
    Sounds to me like you're calling me a "FOOL".
    No wonder you utterly fail at Biblical interpretation. You can't read.
    I didn't call you "FOOL" at all.
    I did point out your arrogance, and your errors.
    That's not the same thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by G
    The Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ is the same Holy Spirit.
    Of course.
    The holy spirit is God's spirit. God's thinking/mind and the power produced by God's mind. Christ conformed his spirit to his God's spirit. So, yes they think the same.
    Quote Originally Posted by G
    A member of the Godhead.
    A "member" of Godly attributes??? There is no such thing. The term "Godhead" is an awful attempt at translation. The Greek words translated "Godhead" in KJV merely mean Godly attributes.
    [/quote]In other words...they accused Jesus Christ of claiming to be God....which is why He turned from them to the Gentiles[/quote]Yes.
    [/quote] who did believe He is God.[/quote]No. You are confused again. The apostles believed Jesus is "the son of the living God".

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    Quote Originally Posted by SabathMoon View Post
    My God is Yahweh; yours is the trinity idol that can't possibly true. It originated from Valentinus a gnostic who took drugs.
    No idea who Valentinus is, but the type of argument you are making is the logical fallacy called "poisoning the well."

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    No idea who Valentinus is, but the type of argument you are making is the logical fallacy called "poisoning the well."
    Source for this terminology, please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    If the Bible taught that Jesus was God, I wouldn't have any reason to object to those statements.
    However, the Bible does not teach that Jesus is God, it teaches over and over and over that Jesus is the Son of God and that God is the Father of Jesus.
    Jesus also says that he reveals things to certain people. You don’t think that it can be shown with scripture that Jesus is God come as a Son?
    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post

    No, I believe Jesus is the only begotten Son of God because that is what the Bible says.
    The Bible says that we believers will be adopted sons of God, so Jesus cannot be the only Son of God.
    No, I’m not talking about adopted sons. The question is whether or not you believe that God has other sons who are not angels but are like Jesus? Jesus coming in the flesh is how God has a begotten son, or do you believe begotten is only about God making Himself only one son in heaven? If you believe the latter, then why are the angels called sons of God?

    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    I see no reason to believe that.
    The Bible states that Jesus was born on earth as a baby, but never claims that Jesus was ever a baby in heaven.
    Okay, good to know, I just want to see exactly how you believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    The Bible never says that the sons of god in the Old Testament are angels.
    The Bible says that when we are transformed into sons of God then we will judge the angels, so sons of God are higher than the angels.
    Job 38:4-7 King James Version (KJV)
    4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
    5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
    6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
    7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?


    You think that is about human sons of God and not the angels?
    Do you not believe it is about when the earth was made?

    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post

    Our adoption as sons of God is one of the key points of the Gospel
    I want to talk to you about Jesus though.
    Let me know if I understand you correctly.
    You believe Jesus lived in heaven and was God’s only son created in heaven.
    Jesus then came to earth in the flesh, then went back to heaven as the son he was before coming, correct?
    You do not believe the angels in heaven are called the sons of God.

    Okay then, let’s talk more about Jesus being God’s only son in heaven.
    What makes Jesus God’s son? Is it just God saying so, or some direct part of God being part of Jesus?
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SabathMoon View Post
    Source for this terminology, please?
    Do I seriously have to break out the "let me google that for you" links?

    Go look it up yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    Yes, God, a divine being, has a Son who is also a divine being.


    Yes, the Son of God agreed to be sent to earth and walk among us as a human being.


    I have never denied that Jesus is the divine Son of God and the human Son of man.

    I have only objected to the non-Biblical doctrine that the Son of God and God the Father are the same being.
    Humans are flesh and spirit. Do you agree?

    A human son is a son because it shares the same flesh and blood as the father; however, humans have their own spirit.

    So then, Jesus is flesh and blood and his spirit is the Spirit from God, which makes him more than just a man, but God Himself come in the flesh.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    There is no mention of any "God the Son" in the Bible, but there is a Son of God that you seem to reject.
    What makes Jesus a son of God?
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    What makes Jesus a son of God?
    Anything starting life directly from God is a son or progeny. The angels, Jesus, and Adam.

    Jesus is uniquely begotten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    right as now the Law is in the hearts and minds of His people...

    Yes you do...you take the Sabbath out of the 10 Natural Moral Laws and stick it in the ceremonial catagory...you make Yahushua a literal 24 hour day...the seventh after six of work...and replace lawful obedience of the Sabbath as well no longer binding lawlessness...


    sure is an attention grabber thought right? Imagine that...jews hating HIM and His followers...not including you replacing that wall He tore down...you know to let you into their reigndeer games...LOL
    oh I happily see I am of israel...others however reject the sabbath and the other festival day on His calendar “THAT’S JEWISH”...lol...they rather do christmas and easter and sunday power hours...and yet I know we are sovereign citizens of Israel, adopted, grafted into HIM HIS WAYS...as He gave to HIS PEOPLE...

    actually you seem pretty histrionic and triggered with the idea you have no real arguement to continue with the jewish false witness that Yahushua changed the customs that Moses delivered.


    sure...but not to save...nobody HAS TO...in order to be saved...people now a daze are more keen on other body modifications though...tattoos piercings plugs branding...all endured to “BELONG”...ha...the irony...

    And as for the special day He ordained yes of course...they edify and revitalize our walk...give it context and history...the Spirit still blesses those that obey...just like at that Pentecost...”copy me” said Paul as he copied Christ...both of which kept Passover et al...Paul even instructed we keep the festival with the new unleavened bread of spirit and truth...

    Looking forward to the day of trumpets...atonement with Him at His second coming and tabernacling in our temporary booths during the millennium and then return to our brand new permanent homes

    Funny how christians freak out that it all this might mean to belong to those going to live forever...


    yup...NO DISTINCTION...we do what they do...they do what we do...we are both citizens of Israel...grafted into HIM HIS WAYS...neat right?

    oh yeah? since when did you think the OT seperated the two?

    See? Jews and goyim were ONE PEOPLE ONE LAW even back when the church was in the wilderness...

    Remember those 4 things required of goyim crowding into synagogues every sabbath to hear moses preached and read every Sabbath in every city? Well ALL FOUR were in the OT...3 of them actually dealt with the kosher dietary laws...

    but you think the OT seperated them? LOL

    aint scared...except by your horrible use of the sword...gonna hurt yourself for eternity...

    nobody was even circumcised while trudging through the wilderness and yet still called a church and His people...LOL


    sure it is...Yahushua said clearly that it is not what goes into a man that makes him unclean but he already was unclean inside for thinking he could eat that swine chop...DUH


    same laws...nothing you listed abrogated the 10...


    no He will give us rest...but He is not become a 24 hour period of time at the end of six days of work...

    havent even preached it...LOL...it NEVER SAVED

    Neither did He...ha


    Paul was clear they ARE not were of good things to come...

    cute also not biblical...literal

    you are getting desperate..histrionic...I acknowledged that there were walls...asked if they went around Judea...

    and you are lying then that I didnt acknowledge the walls

    and the Sabbath time and the winter times too...

    because your new law list excludes Sabbath...and in doing so you do NOT worship Him with your list...you created an idol...2nd on that list...you took His name for nothing...3rd...you disrespect your Father...5th gone from your list...add that you STEAL worship from Him...your disobedience KILLS the Spirit...and your worship is unfaithful adultery...YOU LIE and bare false witness like the jews who claimed that He changed the customs Moses delivered...prolly because you COVET the world around you to not stand apart and seperate from it...

    So because you do NOT include the seventh day Sabbath on your NEW list of stuff you wanna do for Him...you actually erase all the ones you do have...the irony...

    REJECTING THAT INDEED THE SABBATH IS “BROUGHT OVER” as another famous TOL member puts it...

    See you do realize these commandments are actually describing what life is like where “I AM”...and where He is this is happening...

    He is One Almighty...no idols...name is used...heirarchy honored...no stealing no lying no killing no adultery no coveting...NO NEED TO ya dig? You are with Him...the “I AM”...

    Oh yes and well He rested and was refreshed as an example for us...on that first full day in the Edenic covenant...a SABBATH...to be with Him is to do as He does...we are after all made in His image...
    The Bible tells us that the purification/ceremonial works of the law, including the observance of special days, even the Sabbath day, was a shadow of Jesus and a teaching tool. They are now worthless because Jesus came and is light.

    You preach the old purification/ceremonial works of the law, and therefore make yourself a bitter root who falls from grace.

    Grace is that we no more have to do the purification/ceremonial works.

    Hebrews 12:15
    Be careful that no one falls short of the grace of God, so that no root of bitterness will spring up to cause trouble and defile many.


    When the Galatians were talked into observing special days and getting circumcised, Paul had to form Christ in them all over again.

    They fell from grace.


    Galatians 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SabathMoon View Post
    Sorry I am not an atheist, and what you said was lame, because you said the Jewish god doesn't exist.
    God doesn't belong to a religion. He isn't affiliated with the Jews. He is Christ.
    Jesus Christ was the Passover for the benefit of the Israelites alone. It is too bad you and me are not as special as the Israelites were.
    He is The Passover for the whole world. Only those who believe in Him may partake of Him. Eating His Flesh and drinking His Blood is how we partake of His Fellowship. He comes to live inside believers. If you don't have The Spirit of Christ you are none of His.

    But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

    Scripture makes The Spirit of God and The Spirit of Christ out to be ONE. We don't have two Holy Spirits in us. The believers in the upper room weren't filled with Holy Spirits (plural). They were filled with The Spirit of Christ, The Spirit of God. He is God. Whether you believe that or not is up to you. Scripture is clear. Your cult is nothing but error.
    "Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets." -- Amos 3:7

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    Quote Originally Posted by SabathMoon View Post
    Anything starting life directly from God is a son or progeny. The angels, Jesus, and Adam.

    Jesus is uniquely begotten.
    How do you think Jesus is uniquely begotten? Do you believe he was begotten first in heaven, or only called begotten as a son when he came in the flesh?
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    The Bible tells us that the purification/ceremonial works of the law, including the observance of special days, even the Sabbath day, was a shadow of Jesus and a teaching tool. They are now worthless because Jesus came and is light.

    You preach the old purification/ceremonial works of the law, and therefore make yourself a bitter root who falls from grace.

    Grace is that we no more have to do the purification/ceremonial works.

    Hebrews 12:15
    Be careful that no one falls short of the grace of God, so that no root of bitterness will spring up to cause trouble and defile many.


    When the Galatians were talked into observing special days and getting circumcised, Paul had to form Christ in them all over again.

    They fell from grace.


    Galatians 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,
    Paul is clear they ARE shadows not were...

    But you wanna run along do so...

    Heb 4:9 and Is 66:23 go with you

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    Paul is clear they ARE shadows not were...

    But you wanna run along do so...

    Heb 4:9 and Is 66:23 go with you
    Jesus is the Sabbath Rest.

    There are no shadows in the light.

    Jesus is the light.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dartman View Post
    This is just another topic about which you are confused. The fact that Jesus completed the Mosaic Law, and "took it out of the way" does NOT indicate a follower of Jesus shouldn't keep JESUS' Commandments!!

    John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

    No wonder you utterly fail at Biblical interpretation. You can't read.
    I didn't call you "FOOL" at all.
    I did point out your arrogance, and your errors.
    That's not the same thing.
    You see the problem with the law is it brings out legalism and judgmentalism.....You have just shown us all why believers have been delivered from the law.

    Of course.
    The holy spirit is God's spirit. God's thinking/mind and the power produced by God's mind. Christ conformed his spirit to his God's spirit. So, yes they think the same.
    Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. You are a foolish heathen "wanna be" Christian.

    You need to learn how to use the quote function. I am not "G" and there should be a little blue arrow after my quotes. If you can't figure that out, how can anyone expect you to figure out the difference between law and grace?

    A "member" of Godly attributes??? There is no such thing. The term "Godhead" is an awful attempt at translation. The Greek words translated "Godhead" in KJV merely mean Godly attributes.


    Oh, and get a better Bible dictionary. You can't keep making things up to suit your fancy.

    Looks like your definition of Godhead fails...."Godly attributes".

    Although attempts to deceive are some of man's devises. Alas you've been caught once again.

    Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

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