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Thread: What 'Gospel' Did Paul Preach at Acts 9?

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    You reacted to his cogent post exactly as an angry Mormon would, with bile and attack but no substance. Shame on you, but the dog that yelps is the one that got hit.
    He was only trying to derail the subject of this thread and he is the one with no substance not me. And it is you who has no substance because you run and hide from my remarks to what you said previously:

    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    Jerry does seem to have a strong streak of Lordship Salvation running through his mind, ...
    It is you who says that the Jews who lived under the law could not be saved from works, not me. I asked you your interpretation of the meaning of the word " whatsoever" in the following verse:

    "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (Jn.3:16).

    Here is your answer:

    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    He spoke those words in the context of the Kingdom. That makes a huge difference. That you don't realize it proves you're not as dispensational as you think -- you equate "saved" under Paul's gospel with "saved" under the covenant program. They're not the same kind of salvation.
    Please tell me how the word "saved" as used in the following passage which applies to the Jews is different from the way that it is used under Paul's gospel:

    "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins" (Mt.1:20-21).

    Now back to the verse I quoted to you earlier:

    "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life"
    (Jn.3:16).

    How is that "everlasting" or "eternal" life different from the eternal life of which Paul spoke about and the Apostle John spoke about here to the Jews?:

    "And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son" (1 Jn.5:11).

    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    But you've already been told that a dozen times. So how about telling us how a member of Christ's very Body -- fully forgiven and justified from all things -- can also need to persevere unto the end to be saved (Matt 24:13), since you evidently believe "saved" always means the same thing.

    Do believers today, Jerry, need to persevere unto the end to be saved? Yes or no.
    The words you quoted at Matthew 24:13 are speaking about "physical" life, not "eternal life." The Jews who lived under the law enjoyed eternal security just as we do. For instance, I have already shown that the Jewish believers already possessed eternal life (1 Jn.5:11) and here is what the Lord Jesus said about those to whom He gives eternal life:

    "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand" (Jn.10:28).

    He also said the following to the Jews who lived under the law:

    "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out" (Jn.6:37).

    He also said the following to those who lived under the law:

    "I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die"
    (Jn.11:25-26).

    All believers enjoy eternal security. But that is way above your head because your head is full of the same nonsense shared by all those in the Neo MAD camp.

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    Jerry the Mormon.
    "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
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    [most will be very surprised]


    Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
    By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    Jerry the Mormon.
    The same old same old with you.

    When you can't answer the message attack the messenger!

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