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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horn View Post
    No ! Only an infinitesimally tiny fraction of all the illegal abortions which took place before Roe were ever criminally prosecuted . Abortionists were almost NEVER arrested, tried and convicted before Roe. And what about the poor women who try to abort themselves ? Are we gong to rest and prosecute THEM ?
    Those who don't know should be educated, that is for sure.

    When a person does not know that murder is murder they are seriously confused.

    Yes, murder is punishable by death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horn View Post
    No ! Only an infinitesimally tiny fraction of all the illegal abortions which took place before Roe were ever criminally prosecuted . Abortionists were almost NEVER arrested, tried and convicted before Roe.
    that's just not true




    And what about the poor women who try to abort themselves ? Are we gong to rest and prosecute THEM ?
    what about the poor women who try to kill their newborns, their infants, their toddlers? Should they be arrested and prosecuted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    In any case, murder is murder whatever the age even if unborn or preborn.
    that's the bottom line



    the horn makes a forceful statement!
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    Women MUST have control over their lives, their bodies, their health and their futures .
    doser spots a potential flaw in horn's reasoning:
    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    based on the above statement, can you explain clearly and rationally, why women should not be allowed by law to kill their newborns, their infants, their toddlers if they wish to?
    horn's response?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horn View Post
    Laws against murdering born people can be enforced . But laws against abortion are not enforceable .
    they would be if the law recognized abortion as murder - enforcement would then be a matter of addressing the crime after it occurred, same as we do with all murders, with the expectation that the penalty would be severe enough to have a deterrent effect on future potential murderers

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    Nobody in America is calling for the murder of babies once born . There isn't going to be any legalized infanticide . But an early abortion is not "infanticide " because a partially formed fetus is not an infant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horn View Post
    Nobody in America is calling for the murder of babies once born .
    new york state is - the governor just celebrated the passage of a law through the legislature that allows exactly that
    There isn't going to be any legalized infanticide .
    one would certainly hope not

    but you fail to answer the question as asked - why does your willingness to sacrifice the child to the convenience of the mother end at birth?


    But an early abortion is not "infanticide " because a partially formed fetus is not an infant.
    ummmm - ok - did anybody use the word "infanticide"?

    besides you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horn View Post
    ... a partially formed fetus is not an infant.
    and a partially formed newborn/infant/toddler is not an adult

    so why should a partially formed newborn/infant/toddler have the same rights as an adult?

    that's not a rhetorical question - it's a question you will avoid, i'm sure, because there's no reason that the answer shouldn't apply equally to the unborn child

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    the horn makes a forceful statement!
    Quote Originally Posted by The Horn View Post
    Women MUST have control over their lives, their bodies, their health and their futures .
    doser spots a potential flaw in horn's reasoning and asks:
    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    based on the above statement, can you explain clearly and rationally, why women should not be allowed by law to kill their newborns, their infants, their toddlers if they wish to?
    horn's response is, unfortunately, neither clear nor rational and instead avoids answering the question altogether:
    Quote Originally Posted by The Horn View Post
    Nobody in America is calling for the murder of babies once born . There isn't going to be any legalized infanticide . But an early abortion is not "infanticide " because a partially formed fetus is not an infant.
    so i'll ask it again:

    based on your statement "Women MUST have control over their lives, their bodies, their health and their futures", can you explain clearly and rationally why women should not be allowed by law to kill their newborns, their infants, their toddlers if they wish to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    based on your statement "Women MUST have control over their lives, their bodies, their health and their futures", can you explain clearly and rationally why women should not be allowed by law to kill their newborns, their infants, their toddlers if they wish to?
    I'm surprised how many people involved in this debate have never actually read Roe v Wade. The answer to this question is in the findings. Roe never said a child is not a human life. The answer is quite simply that the mother can obtain all those things immediately by a less drastic alternative of giving the child away. Several states even allow mothers in such situations to drop the child off anonymously at fire departments and hospitals. This is not a viable option for most of the period the child is still in the womb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit the Coyote View Post
    I'm surprised how many people involved in this debate have never actually read Roe v Wade. The answer to this question is in the findings. Roe never said a child is not a human life.

    The answer is quite simply that the mother can obtain all those things immediately by a less drastic alternative of giving the child away.


    Several states even allow mothers in such situations to drop the child off anonymously at fire departments and hospitals. This is not a viable option for most of the period the child is still in the womb.
    congrats kit, you're the first one in years to actually answer this question

    So the answer is that if the mother wants to be rid of the baby, she can just abandon it? Just set it down and walk away?

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    Pro-choice kills.
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    My name was Chloe, I wanted to live.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    congrats kit, you're the first one in years to actually answer this question

    So the answer is that if the mother wants to be rid of the baby, she can just abandon it? Just set it down and walk away?
    Depends on how she does it, she can't leave the child in a place where it is endangered but in the increasing number of states that have laws like the ones I mentioned she can hand it to a nurse, policeman or fireman and yes walk away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit the Coyote View Post
    Depends on how she does it, she can't leave the child in a place where it is endangered ....
    what if it's inconvenient to abandon it in a manner that insures the baby's safety? What if complying with that requirement conflicts with one of the following over-riding criteria: "Women MUST have control over their lives, their bodies, their health and their futures"

    what if, for example, the mother is in the north woods or the Labrador coast and the nearest nurse, policeman or fireman is many days' journey away? Would it be acceptable in those situations to abandon it to the elements?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    that's just not true
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