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    Quote Originally Posted by crossnote View Post
    Another option to abortion is to have the baby and then murder it outside the womb. At least that seems to be the direction we are going...

    New York State Senate Passes Bill Permitting Abortions up to Birth
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    “the patient is within twenty-four weeks from the commencement of pregnancy, or there is an absence of fetal viability, or the abortion is necessary to protect the patient’s life or health.”

    Essentially if the child is going to be born dead anyway or the mother's life and health are threatened then a late-term abortion is allowed. That not too different from most other states that allow late-term abortions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Abortion usually kills the baby.
    That is the intent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit the Coyote View Post
    I think you heard something from the infamous Dr. Singer, a medical ethicist. He pointed out that babies are not really sentient (self-aware) until around the age of one. He then argued that children with severe physical and mental disabilities that would prevent them from contributing to society should be euthanized before their first birthday so they are not a strain on their parents or society.
    Evil is evil.

    Why not allow parents to murder their children up to 18 or 21?

    Some teenagers are a real pain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit the Coyote View Post
    I think you heard something from the infamous Dr. Singer, a medical ethicist. He pointed out that babies are not really sentient (self-aware) until around the age of one. He then argued that children with severe physical and mental disabilities that would prevent them from contributing to society should be euthanized before their first birthday so they are not a strain on their parents or society.
    That is horrible.

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    "Not good enough living conditions "? You mean it's OK to allow children to grow up in terrible conditions, which so many in America already are ? It's not a question of "the value of life , whatever that is . If pregnant women can't provide for their children they are going to have abortions whether they are legal or not .You can't stop them. They will always find a way , safe or legal or unsafe and dangerous . Where is YOUR concern for poor children ? How many poor black and Hispanic children have YOU adopted ? You hypocrisy is showing .

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horn View Post
    "Not good enough living conditions "? You mean it's OK to allow children to grow up in terrible conditions, which so many in America already are ? It's not a question of "the value of life , whatever that is . If pregnant women can't provide for their children they are going to have abortions whether they are legal or not .You can't stop them. They will always find a way , safe or legal or unsafe and dangerous . Where is YOUR concern for poor children ? How many poor black and Hispanic children have YOU adopted ? You hypocrisy is showing .
    And you have SO much concern that you want to MURDER them!

    Talk about hypocrisy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horn View Post
    "Not good enough living conditions "? You mean it's OK to allow children to grow up in terrible conditions, which so many in America already are ? It's not a question of "the value of life , whatever that is . If pregnant women can't provide for their children they are going to have abortions whether they are legal or not .You can't stop them. They will always find a way , safe or legal or unsafe and dangerous . Where is YOUR concern for poor children ? How many poor black and Hispanic children have YOU adopted ? You hypocrisy is showing .
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horn View Post
    Pro-choicers like me aren't opposed to adoption per se. If a pregnant woman decides to put her child up for adoption, this is her right . However, adoption is extremely problematic and is no guarantee of anything . .
    Actually adoption IS a guarantee of life. Abortion is a guarantee of death.
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    My mother had an abortion before giving birth to me.
    Do I grow up and call my own mother a murderer when she gave life to me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    That is horrible.
    Yes, it is, I'm not sure why he remained employed after making such a statement. I'm guessing it was only seen as an ethical exercise and not a promotion of actual infanticide. It did gather him a lot of bad press for it though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crucifer View Post
    My mother had an abortion before giving birth to me.
    Do I grow up and call my own mother a murderer when she gave life to me?
    The facts indicate that your mother was a murder. Are you trying to deny the fact?
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    No, I don't "want to murder them ". I'm just realistic enough to know that women are going to have abortions anyway , whether they are legal or not . I don't want to force any woman to have an abortion . But I have absolutely no right to try to force any woman to bear a child against her will . Women MUST have control over their lives, their bodies, their health and their futures . Government ordered compulsory childbirth for pregnant women denies them all of these essential things .
    Those who believe making abortion illegal will "end" it are totally deluded . The only thing that will end is the legality of abortion .

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horn View Post
    No, I don't "want to murder them ".
    you want to allow women to choose to murder their children

    a fine distinction, i'm sure

    I'm just realistic enough to know that women are going to have abortions anyway
    and murderers are going to murder anyway, and wife beaters are going to beat their wives anyway ...

    But I have absolutely no right to try to force any woman to bear a child against her will .
    you have more than the right - you have the responsibility, before God, to protect the innocent from those who would harm them

    Women MUST have control over their lives, their bodies, their health and their futures .
    not when it comes to murdering their children

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crucifer View Post
    My mother had an abortion before giving birth to me.
    Do I grow up and call my own mother a murderer when she gave life to me?
    not sure how much value there would be in calling it to her face

    but certainly you should recognize that, in God's eyes she certainly did commit murder

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    Of course there is always at least an attempt to educate re birth control and to empower women to tell stupid men "No".

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